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I suspect while there's the chance of CCFC returning, the answer for most would be 'neither'!
Correct, but when presented with the option of Coventry City FC being based outside of Coventry, or a phoenix club, based in the city, playing in Sky Blue, nicknamed the Sky Blues, with a club crest incorporating the city coat of arms (with a football alluding twist) and a name containing the words 'Coventry' and 'City' set up by the fans, for the fans, who would you plump for?
All highly hypothetical of course, but not beyond the realms of possibility.
Just ideas at the moment, but I really think that this is win/win.
a) we set it up, SISU buckle and sell CCFC and the club comes home (we incorporate/fold the new club when the season is out)
B) we set it up, SISU continue with the madness and we have a Coventry club to support that is all our own.
A few things I propose:
- the club should be fan owned. Wouldn't take much money from those interested.
- the club be called Coventry FC. No need for anything else on the end IMO.
- we play in all black to signify the death of CCFC / or we could just play in Sky Blue if people wish.
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So who do you ultimately think will win out in this attritional war?I suspect while there's the chance of CCFC returning, the answer for most would be 'neither'!
A new club may be able to take Hinckley's place?
So who do you ultimately think will win out in this attritional war?
After today's news, Sisu must be delighted as it means CCC must now engage further in costly legal wranglings which can only weaken their position.
If the white flag is waved by ACL/CCC, and Sisu acquire the Ricoh, I won't be attending a CCFC match again, and I think it won't be too long before anyone else will either, as I don't think Sisu have any ambitions for making a success of CCFC as evidenced by our decline under the leadership.
So you will only support ccfc at the Ricoh if they are tenants of ACL?
I suspect he means he will only support them if they get back there through honest negotiations. Either through buying at market rate, rental, or leaseholder.
I would give sisu money to watch Ccfc if they have acted in a reasonable manner, if they acquire the Ricoh by force I would find it very difficult to give them my money.
There is everything to gain and absolutely nothing to lose. The only other option is to carry on playing the waiting game and I'd back SISU to win that one, if you continue to let them.
Good luck today, I hope you make the news.
It all depends on the outcome of the JR though, if the money is deemed to be an illegal use of state aid, then that's not really sisu's problem. And fans may be more sympathetic if it is found that the allegations of negotiations to share the debt with sisu did take place.
You and NW seem to be genuinely waiting until the JR until you make your mind up about that, as if it changes anything. No matter what the outcome is, the whole episode remains about SISU attempting to distress ACL. SISU have been laughed out of court over this previously: if Joy manages to fluke a sympathetic right-wing judge, the outcome may change, but not the truth of the matter, so why does it mean so much to you? Do you honestly believe that every court case has the correct outcome?
I fully understand the argument about waiting until a relocation is permanent, however once the club announces a new ground outside the city, is that not a permanent relocation?
I suspect he means he will only support them if they get back there through honest negotiations. Either through buying at market rate, rental, or leaseholder.
I would give sisu money to watch Ccfc if they have acted in a reasonable manner, if they acquire the Ricoh by force I would find it very difficult to give them my money.
No to Phoenix club from me unless CCFC are totally dead.
Too many people give up too easily on here, but mostly so they can just emote about how passionate they are, then fuck off at the first sign of trouble.
Nope. I'll observe NOPM until Sisu are gone.So you will only support ccfc at the Ricoh if they are tenants of ACL?
malevolent outsiders, unconcerned about the clubs footballing fortunes.
Could be said about a lot of football club owners?
So then surely a fan conceived and owned Phoenix club would appeal?It could.
And tbf isn't that a problem with football governance full-stop?
Got to admire rondog's stand, if nowt else. The danger after all is that whenever SISU do move on they're replaced by malevolent outsiders, unconcerned about the club's footballing fortunes...
And it'll be lapped up with a quick soundbyte and commitment to involve the fans.
So then surely a fan conceived and owned Phoenix club would appeal?
So then surely a fan conceived and owned Phoenix club would appeal?
Sphinx ain't a phoenix club!Not really, else I would support Coventry Sphinx or somebody already?
Broadly agree, but just to reiterate, what I, and other posters are proposing is a contingency plan that could hit the ground running in the event of certain scenarios.As I said elsewhere...
I'd only want it when it has the best chance of success, and the best chance of all fans following it rather than being fatally split, and us ending up with two shoddy failures of clubs, bigger failures than anything we've had until now. Even if people don't go to Sixfields, it doesn't automatically assume their attachment isn't to this club or nothing... and offering a choice won't make them jump ship to the alternative, as it'll still be a blatantly different club, much as Sphinx are. If the JR result came back in SISU's favour, and certain council practices had indeed been shown to be dubious, then I'd struggle to collude in killing off my club. If they came back against SISU, the club could still come back to the city. If however it bought land in, say, Cawston, there'd be an obligation to start a new club up, you'd get far more behind it, far more chance of it succeeding...
As long as the current club survives, because of how football works, that ain't going to happen that fans just switch, not until there's a drastic sense of permanence.
Couple the fact that football governance needs an overhaul in this country so fan conceived and owned clubs actually stand more than a puncher's chance of succeeding, and there's a problem. The system in this country just doesn't support fan owned clubs working long-term, it merely supports them as firefighting measures. The fans of Notts County, mansfield, lincoln... even Stockport etc. can point to the problems of swimming against the tide, even the 'success' that's Exeter relied on a lucky cup draw, and even now their fans grow more restless, seemingly unwilling to accept what they have - they should be careful what they wish for...
And that's not because I'm against the principle, it's because the system isn't overly suited. personally I've always thought an adaption of what we used to have/ the Arsenal model of days gone by are the best ways forward, where about 25% of shares are open to your everyday fan to buy, and no one person can own more than 25% of the rest of the stake; allows for benevolant dictatorship/ decisive decisions rather than the wringing of hands and buerocracy, but still enables some accountability, and stops one owner wielding absolute power and control.
Now, the alternative action is surely to abandon all thoughts of a fan owned CCFC replacement, but just set up a club that's fan owned, call it Coventry Rovers, say, have it play in red and green halves, set up the system of governance you want in a football club, see if they can grow on their own accord to a certain level.
Make history, rather than split it, for as long as the current club has a chance of coming back, you won't be able to claim their history, either absolutely or intangibly.
Broadly agree, but just to reiterate, what I, and other posters are proposing is a contingency plan that could hit the ground running in the event of certain scenarios.
ACL, CCC and Sisu were all complicit in trying to distress ACL
Yeah y'see I kinda have trouble with the very concept of ACL trying to distress themselves. Sounds like the kind of crazy scheme that only a Hedge Fund could dream up. So you're saying that ACL are in trouble for stopping themselves from fucking themselves up? Ok.....
It sounds very elaborate, but is still feasible - if they were in cahoot's with sisu then sisu could have come up with the idea, but other parties agreed it. Hopefully the JR will disprove that, but we won't know in the verdict is delivered.
And in a way, it didn't fuck themselves up did it, it allowed the debt to be bought at a reduced cost which lowered the repayments and made ACL more financially stable. So distressing them actually benefitted ACL.
Surely they could have done that any way? Alternatively, they only did that because they were distressed? This is like saying "lucky buggers, getting a lollipop from the dentists by punching their own teeth out..."
Would anyone be open to prosecution given the stated admission concerning the attempt to buy out the YB loan .
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