Far far worse. He's a nonce and used his position for his own gratification. If he was in any other profession that had the potential contact with kids he'd be banned for life.Read something yesterday that League 1 and 2 clubs had been contacted and they had all said they wouldn't be interested in him. Can't remember where it was now.
It would be like Ched Evans but worse.
Far far worse. He's a nonce and used his position for his own gratification. If he was in any other profession that had the potential contact with kids he'd be banned for life.
Vietnam or Cambodia?Im not sure a league club would take him. Can see him going abroad for a mediocre club and trying to live "quietly".
Lots of players have done things far worse and never been punished or are still playing.
Always looked dangerous.
Read your post again, whilst imagining that it was your teenage daughter that he calculatedly groomed and abused.I'd forgotten about him. He was a really good player. Always looked dangerous and looked like he would make something happen when he got the ball.
Lots of players have done things far worse and never been punished or are still playing.
Which players have done far worse? He's a fucking paedophile.I'd forgotten about him. He was a really good player. Always looked dangerous and looked like he would make something happen when he got the ball.
Lots of players have done things far worse and never been punished or are still playing.
He can still see his daughter.Interesting question that is in danger of being hikaxked by the hes evil and we are all perfect brigade.
Some facts
He was released from prison but is on license. So he is in effect serving the rest of his sentence outside of prison.
This means there are conditions such as he can’t see his 4 year old daughter without a supervising adult.
Also he will have limitations on the work he can do if he is in a position of trust or working where children are.
Due to the length of his sentence he will be on the sex offenders register for life
We need a grown up debate about risk management and we need the truth about privatising of probation and how manipulated and fucked up a system is where you punish a 4 year old child for the huge mistakes of her father.
I’m not sure how anyone can claim he’s an unrepentant paedophlle either he pleaded guilty to some offences and was found guilty of others. I don’t know if he ian unrepentant or not I’m just saying you don’t know
So we come onto the main issue for me which is as a society what are we to do? Absolutely happy with license conditions to protect children and mitigate risk but totally unhappy if no one can question conditions that seem to just be about punishment rather than risk mitigation.
He’ll never play football in this country again and that’s probably right what I think isn’t right is punishing his daughter and making it impossible for him to make a new life
Society may as well own up to its prejudice and probably fear and make a decision on what’s its willing to pay for?
Punishment and vengeance or punishment and rehabilitation wth an expectation that once time has been served you can’t expect someone to live without the possibility of employment, friends or a support structure
Very few people are all evil or all good. Most of us are capable of greatness and depravity and until we grow up and accept that reality we will get nowhere
Interesting question that is in danger of being hikaxked by the hes evil and we are all perfect brigade.
Some facts
He was released from prison but is on license. So he is in effect serving the rest of his sentence outside of prison.
This means there are conditions such as he can’t see his 4 year old daughter without a supervising adult.
Also he will have limitations on the work he can do if he is in a position of trust or working where children are.
Due to the length of his sentence he will be on the sex offenders register for life
We need a grown up debate about risk management and we need the truth about privatising of probation and how manipulated and fucked up a system is where you punish a 4 year old child for the huge mistakes of her father.
I’m not sure how anyone can claim he’s an unrepentant paedophlle either he pleaded guilty to some offences and was found guilty of others. I don’t know if he ian unrepentant or not I’m just saying you don’t know
So we come onto the main issue for me which is as a society what are we to do? Absolutely happy with license conditions to protect children and mitigate risk but totally unhappy if no one can question conditions that seem to just be about punishment rather than risk mitigation.
He’ll never play football in this country again and that’s probably right what I think isn’t right is punishing his daughter and making it impossible for him to make a new life
Society may as well own up to its prejudice and probably fear and make a decision on what’s its willing to pay for?
Punishment and vengeance or punishment and rehabilitation wth an expectation that once time has been served you can’t expect someone to live without the possibility of employment, friends or a support structure
Very few people are all evil or all good. Most of us are capable of greatness and depravity and until we grow up and accept that reality we will get nowhere
Give it a rest. The question was how would the fans feel if we signed him? Not how do you feel about how his relationship with his daughter will be affected?Interesting question that is in danger of being hikaxked by the hes evil and we are all perfect brigade.
Some facts
He was released from prison but is on license. So he is in effect serving the rest of his sentence outside of prison.
This means there are conditions such as he can’t see his 4 year old daughter without a supervising adult.
Also he will have limitations on the work he can do if he is in a position of trust or working where children are.
Due to the length of his sentence he will be on the sex offenders register for life
We need a grown up debate about risk management and we need the truth about privatising of probation and how manipulated and fucked up a system is where you punish a 4 year old child for the huge mistakes of her father.
I’m not sure how anyone can claim he’s an unrepentant paedophlle either he pleaded guilty to some offences and was found guilty of others. I don’t know if he ian unrepentant or not I’m just saying you don’t know
So we come onto the main issue for me which is as a society what are we to do? Absolutely happy with license conditions to protect children and mitigate risk but totally unhappy if no one can question conditions that seem to just be about punishment rather than risk mitigation.
He’ll never play football in this country again and that’s probably right what I think isn’t right is punishing his daughter and making it impossible for him to make a new life
Society may as well own up to its prejudice and probably fear and make a decision on what’s its willing to pay for?
Punishment and vengeance or punishment and rehabilitation wth an expectation that once time has been served you can’t expect someone to live without the possibility of employment, friends or a support structure
Very few people are all evil or all good. Most of us are capable of greatness and depravity and until we grow up and accept that reality we will get nowhere
Are you fucking mad?
He can still see his daughter.
He could still probably get another job if he wanted although not playing football and rightly so; what kind of message would that send?
He also only served half his sentence.
The message that says once you’ve served your sentence you can remake your life if you work hard and don’t put others at risk. You have no idea do you?He can still see his daughter.
He could still probably get another job if he wanted although not playing football and rightly so; what kind of message would that send?
He also only served half his sentence.
Ok I don’t think the fans would be happy at all but more importantly I don’t think he’d be able to work in this environment certainly whilst under licenseGive it a rest. The question was how would the fans feel if we signed him? Not how do you feel about how his relationship with his daughter will be affected?
Ah haven’t seen his comments sorryShould the aim of justice not be that ultimately we want people to end their sentences reformed and ready to re-enter society? His comments in prison show he is nowhere near that though and doesn’t see what he did wrong.
With that in mind he should get a minimum wage job and work his way up
Ah haven’t seen his comments sorry
Saying he wasn’t guilty of what he admitted or not guilty of what he was found guilty of or that it shouldn’t be a crime to groom a 15 year old?There’s been at least 2 videos of him talking about it with other prisoners
Saying he wasn’t guilty of what he admitted or not guilty of what he was found guilty of or that it shouldn’t be a crime to groom a 15 year old?
Also he is not a paedophlle and it’s important people know the difference. It is a sexual attraction to pre pubescent children not 15 year olds and it’s important when it come to risk mitigation
I know it’s boring talking facts but it’s important
Also it’s not criminal to have attractions but to act on them
Pedophilia - Wikipedia
Sure and I respect that opinionI’m aware of the semantic differences in terminology. He was making comments to the effect that it shouldn’t be a crime-search around and you’ll get the specifics.
Still seems lacking in remorse for me
Many do grendel and we could debate that but porn isn’t illegal. It does however have a huge criminal underbelly in terms of trafficking etcHe also had a penchant for extreme porn including the involvement of animals. He’s s lovely lad though
Many do grendel and we could debate that but porn isn’t illegal. It does however have a huge criminal underbelly in terms of trafficking etc
Different world wasn’t itIf Adam Johnson got rightly done for having sex with a minor aged 15, how did Bill Wyman get away scot free after having it away with Mandy Smith who was 13 when he started seeing her ?
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