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clint van damme

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #246
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
When a leftie shouts Nazi, you know they have lost the argument.
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antifa are worse than Nazis - your words. I can't remember when antifa killed 6 million Jews but you carry on!!
 
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clint van damme

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #247
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Spot on both of you.

Glad the penny has dropped for some.
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Mitt Romney disagrees with you both - bloody communist!!
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #248
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Yes, moved on and swept more Antifa violence under the carpet. That's the point we are making.
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It was a Nazi demonstration. It should have been condemned without putting counter protests into the frame. The point you are making is that protesting Nazis is as bad as taking part in a Nazi demonstration armed to the teeth shouting Nazi slogans. It isn't.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #249
martcov said:
My mates? Clueless? Look in a mirror regarding cluelessness. The Nazis suppressed free speech. Even if these Nazi clowns are in a minority, they stand for suppression of free speech. You don't get it do you? The demonstration was a demonstration as a show of Nazi ideals. If you take the line that counterprotesters are just as bad, you are deflecting from what is happening. Not all counter protesters are 'Antifa' in the sense of belonging to a violent movement. But all people marching and chanting 'Jews will not replace us' are not fine people as Trump claims some of them are. No fine people attend such a Demonstration in the Nazi Side.
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No one is saying 'Nazi's are fine'. It is all in your imagination. Any positive comments towards people right from you is towards the common Trump supporter or conservative, not a group that want white supremacy.

I get that Nazi's are against free speech, I also get that Antifa are doing a better job of suppressing it in the current modern day, as per the 100 incidents previous to Charlottesville that you are pretending didn't happen.
 
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scubasteve

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #250
clint van damme said:
No it's not OK,but the racial tension in the US has been going on for years, same as the klan were lynching blacks long before trump was elected. But there has been no spike in hate crime against whites since trumps election, so no, it's not OK but it hasn't been exasperated by the current situation.
What has happened, due to the rhetoric used by trump, is there has been a spike in hate crime against minorities, again, it has always happened, but this has been exasperated by the rhetoric coming form the POTUS. Example, there has been a 30% increase on attacks on Jews - trump is responsible for emboldening the far right.
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It trumps fault there are attacks on Jews, even though his is in bed with Israel and supports them as a state and foreign relations....... so he likes jews enough work with them but tells everyone to hate jews must have missed him telling everyone that.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #251
clint van damme said:
antifa are worse than Nazis - your words. I can't remember when antifa killed 6 million Jews but you carry on!!
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In the past yes. They don't exist in almost any close capacity to that now. Just remember all the Socialism deaths if you want to dig up history...

In the modern day, the former are causing more problems.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #252
martcov said:
It was a Nazi demonstration. It should have been condemned without putting counter protests into the frame. The point you are making is that protesting Nazis is as bad as taking part in a Nazi demonstration armed to the teeth shouting Nazi slogans. It isn't.
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No it isn't, but you are getting warmer. The penny is almost dropping...

Nearly everyone on the planet thinks it is ok to challenge a Nazi, what is not ok is for these same organisations to violently attack innocent people. They have kicked off numerous times and it has been let go. This time they kick off and it is in the media and they are painted like heroes, when in fact they are also a bunch of cunts.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #253
scubasteve said:
totally agree, the media said trump was wrong for not condemning the violence in Charlottesville on the Saturday, Sunday he condemns all right wing, Nazis etc. media then say its too late, on the Monday he condemns both sides for violence then the media goes into melt down for condemning a violent left movement. Lets be fair trump is a dick but the left and media hate him so much they literally jump on anything and spin it to fit a narrative.
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It isn't just the media. It is people like Romney and Ryan. The republican leaders. This is not what people expect of the president of the United States. The US fought against Nazism. People chanting 'whose streets.. our streets' are clearly referring to how the SA won the battle for the 'streets' in Germany by intimidation and violence. The 'Antifa' don't come near the blatant provocation of these Nazis.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #254
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
In the past yes. They don't exist in almost any close capacity to that now. Just remember all the Socialism deaths if you want to dig up history...

In the modern day, the former are causing more problems.
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Socialists are not holding torch lit rallies chanting violent slogans. The Nazis were at Charlottesville. That's the point. Trump owns a house there, so he knows the facts. Haha.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #255
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
No it isn't, but you are getting warmer. The penny is almost dropping...

Nearly everyone on the planet thinks it is ok to challenge a Nazi, what is not ok is for these same organisations to violently attack innocent people. They have kicked off numerous times and it has been let go. This time they kick off and it is in the media and they are painted like heroes, when in fact they are also a bunch of cunts.
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No, they are not saints, but they didn't organize the torch light rally to chant hate slogans and they didn't kill anybody. So the bunch of cunts in this case are the Nazis. Trump should have stuck to that.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #256
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Once again, I have to repeat myself whilst you try to mud the waters. I have no issue in people challenging the Nazi march, I have issue with the countless incidents previous where these 'resistance' groups have been rioting and causing violent attacks on innocent people, something you are oblivious and ignorant towards.

This is what people such as yourself don't understand. Everyone has condemned the Nazi march, it is like the Slade/Mowbray argument. Everyone unanimously knows the former is shit, but it is the latter that gets excused constantly.

I said terrorist atrocities, as I listed it was something as well as far left violence, the former mainly being attributed to Islam. If you want a few examples of your mates kicking off, see below:

  • young white, mentally ill male kidnapped, beaten, tortured, forced to drink toilet water, and threatened with death, as his kidnappers scream about Trump and repeatedly insist that he denounce Trump and white people; his kidnappers livestreamed their racist hate crime on Facebook as if it was perfectly natural -- 4 in custody after mentally disabled man tied up, tortured on Facebook Live
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  • 69 year old woman left with bloody head wound after 27 year old man brutally beats her with a chair for supporting Trump, tolerant leftist charged with attempted homicide -- Election argument ends with assault, Donora police say
  • 15 year-old punched and kicked by several classmates for wearing MAGA hat, punched, thrown to the ground and kicked, charges filed -- Student attacked for wearing 'Make America Great Again' hat at anti-Trump protest
  • man beaten by multiple assailants for voting Trump as they taunt him -- (his description: )
  • hispanic man chased and beaten by a mob for wearing MAGA hat --
  • 11 year old elementary student beaten by classmates, left in crutches, for voting Trump in mock election --
  • Trump supporter shot during political argument -- Paul Jones, Trump supporter, shot at Cleveland bar during heated political debate
  • female in high school being beaten by another student for posting pro-Trump Instagram comment, as classmates cheer -- YouTube
  • British national tries to assassinate Donald Trump, tries to steal gun from Las Vegas police officer at Trump rally -- Man who attempted to grab gun at rally wanted 'to kill Trump' - CNNPolitics
  • bloody violence against Trump supporters outside San Jose rally -- Ugly, bloody scenes in San Jose as protesters attack Trump supporters outside rally
    • teen chased by mob, tackled, hit multiple times for supporting Trump at a rally; two arrested. -- Father speaks out after young son targeted by anti-Trump mob
    • man sucker punched, knocked to ground for supporting Trump at a rally -- YouTube
    • man struck with object from behind ends up bleeding, for supporting Trump at a rally -- Trump supporter attacked in San Jose, left bleeding.
    • [ Not sure if this is all San Jose, but appears to document multiple individual assaults. -- Hypocritical Anti-Trump Protesters Are Attacking People Everywhere ]
  • anti-police rioters kicking a homeless man for being white near anti-police riot, all cheer -- Black Lives Matter Kick Homeless Man For Being White! Charlotte North Carolina Riot Attack Homeless!
  • anti-police protestors beat reporter unconscious, then try to drag him into a fire, because they're mad -- Charlotte North Carolina Protesters Attempts to throw Journalist INTO FIRE Keith Lamont Scott
  • man left bloody for attending a Trump rally, rocks thrown at cars, etc, in Costa Mesa. 17 arrests from the riot. -- Trump Supporter Beaten Bloody By Protesters
  • two men beat Trump supporter for holding sign, police intervene to save him -- Meriden officer stops assault on man with Trump sign; 2 arrested
  • 62 year old man beaten with crowbar for wearing Trump shirt, in front of witnesses -- Man's Trump T-shirt sparked crowbar attack, cops say
  • mob of anti-police rioters attacking a young white man, cheering as they beat, drag and strip him -- Charlotte Protests "RIOTS" Innocent White Guy Attacked
  • high school student beaten into critical condition for posting BlueLivesMatter on Facebook. Police arrest four men who previously attended his High School -- Sylacauga police arrest 4 in connection with student beating
  • young woman beaten with clubs as she's trapped against a barricade -- Antifa beating innocent men and women with clubs and sticks while they are trapped at a barricade

Why are you defending and excusing this?
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Where have I defended any on this list? Apart from most Americans thinking Trump handled it wrongly by saying ' many sides', Donald Trump himself indirectly admitted his statement was wrong in that, when he requoted it at his Parteirallye in Phönix, he did not requote ' many sides ' which is the phrase that attracts the criticism of him. This shows that he knows full well why he is being criticized.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #257
scubasteve said:
show me prof that he had help from Putin, do you want to talk about the millions in Saudi money Hillary took in donations to her election campaign? or does that not count. Think of it this way if trump is that bad and incompertant in you opinion, HOW BAD MUST HILLARY of been to not beat him to a election.
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She did beat him in th the popular vote. 3 million votes. There is evidence of Russian support with fake news in social media especially in swing states. All of the US intelligence services agree on that. Collusion is what has not yet been proven.

Saudi is a deflection. We are talking about Charlottesville and Trump trying to dilute the Nazi guilt for the demonstration against democratic principles and the killing of a counter protester.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #258
scubasteve said:
So when a BLM member who was ex miltary said he hated white people and went on to shoot and kill 5 police officer is that ok by you. this also happened way before trump was elected was this down to his rhetoric?
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Did the president of the USA say that many sides were responsible for the killings at the time?
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #259
scubasteve said:
It trumps fault there are attacks on Jews, even though his is in bed with Israel and supports them as a state and foreign relations....... so he likes jews enough work with them but tells everyone to hate jews must have missed him telling everyone that.
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If he emboldens the far right, then it is his fault- even if he did not mean it. It shows how incapable he is. He acts on impulse - which maybe ok for an estate agent/ property speculator, but is not ok for the leader of 325 million people.
 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #260
scubasteve said:
It trumps fault there are attacks on Jews, even though his is in bed with Israel and supports them as a state and foreign relations....... so he likes jews enough work with them but tells everyone to hate jews must have missed him telling everyone that.
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there's actually plenty of evidence of anti Jewish rhetoric from trumps camp if not the man himself but you've missed the bigger point, his rhetoric and emboldened the extreme right wing.
Attacks are also up on Muslims, Latin Americans, Blacks and South east asians.
Many on the right have blamed trump for the rise but you're going to deny the link I suppose.

edit to say extreme right wing rather than right wing, not fair to tarnish everyone on the right with this.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #261
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
In the past yes. They don't exist in almost any close capacity to that now. Just remember all the Socialism deaths if you want to dig up history...

In the modern day, the former are causing more problems.
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no they aren't, that's nonsense and you know it.
Just look at the spectrum of people blaming the extreme right, it's far from all lefties. It's a problem which you seem hell bent on ignoring for some reason.
 
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scubasteve

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #262
martcov said:
It isn't just the media. It is people like Romney and Ryan. The republican leaders. This is not what people expect of the president of the United States. The US fought against Nazism. People chanting 'whose streets.. our streets' are clearly referring to how the SA won the battle for the 'streets' in Germany by intimidation and violence. The 'Antifa' don't come near the blatant provocation of these Nazis.
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TRUMP CONDEMNED THE NAZI, WHITE SUPREMISE MARCH he said it has no part in American society, did you just erase this from memory and focus on the bit where he also condemned antifa. ANTIFA turned up to fight if they didn't why wear amour and carry weapons. NO ONE is saying that the Nazi are in the right and by condemning antifa doesn't mean they support Nazi or are Nazi.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #263
scubasteve said:
TRUMP CONDEMNED THE NAZI, WHITE SUPREMISE MARCH he said it has no part in American society, did you just erase this from memory and focus on the bit where he also condemned antifa. ANTIFA turned up to fight if they didn't why wear amour and carry weapons. NO ONE is saying that the Nazi are in the right and by condemning antifa doesn't mean they support Nazi or are Nazi.
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Romney: Trump Must Apologize for Charlottesville Response

you still probably won't get it but try reading this.
 
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scubasteve

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #264
martcov said:
She did beat him in th the popular vote. 3 million votes. There is evidence of Russian support with fake news in social media especially in swing states. All of the US intelligence services agree on that. Collusion is what has not yet been proven.

Saudi is a deflection. We are talking about Charlottesville and Trump trying to dilute the Nazi guilt for the demonstration against democratic principles and the killing of a counter protester.
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you brought up the Hillary and they election........ she took money from a foreign state to help in the election bid. there is no evidence in the collusion with Russia after a year of saying trump is in bed with Russia
and by your she got 3 million more votes, first its called the electoral college vote and secondly if you want to go by who got more votes does that mean in our election before last did UKIP deserve more seat in parliament? they had 3.9 million vote in 2014 and got 1 seat.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #265
It's strange that those arguing in support of nazis keep saying nazi's and don't know the difference between have and of. It's almost like a lack of intelligence leads to right wing nonsense.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #266
clint van damme said:
antifa are worse than Nazis - your words. I can't remember when antifa killed 6 million Jews but you carry on!!
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They describe themselves mainly as Marxists so....

10 Most Murderous Marxist Dictators - The Libertarian Republic
 
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scubasteve

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #267
clint van damme said:
Romney: Trump Must Apologize for Charlottesville Response

you still probably won't get it but try reading this.
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I get it. you condone violence, I condemn violence.
 
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scubasteve

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #268
Liquid Gold said:
It's strange that those arguing in support of nazis keep saying nazi's and don't know the difference between have and of. It's almost like a lack of intelligence leads to right wing nonsense.
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who has supported Nazi's?
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #269
scubasteve said:
TRUMP CONDEMNED THE NAZI, WHITE SUPREMISE MARCH he said it has no part in American society, did you just erase this from memory and focus on the bit where he also condemned antifa. ANTIFA turned up to fight if they didn't why wear amour and carry weapons. NO ONE is saying that the Nazi are in the right and by condemning antifa doesn't mean they support Nazi or are Nazi.
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The demonstration was a show of force by the Nazis. The Nazi paroles, the torch lit march, the beating of a black man and the killing of a counter protester were the things for the president to unequivocally condemn. He refused and brought other people- including non antifa extremists- into the picture. He then even claimed that there were fine people on both sides. There were no fine people shouting " Jews will not replace us " "whose streets... our streets". There may have been fine people non violently protesting Nazism though, but they were counted as " many sides" in the condemnation by Trump.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #270
scubasteve said:
I get it. you condone violence, I condemn violence.
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Like the second world war, do you condemn that. Because that was violence against the hard right that you love so much
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #271
scubasteve said:
who has support Nazi's?
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You just proved his point.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #272
scubasteve said:
who has support Nazi's?
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Can you say that again in a way that someone with more than half a brain cell might understand.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #273
Liquid Gold said:
It's strange that those arguing in support of nazis keep saying nazi's and don't know the difference between have and of. It's almost like a lack of intelligence leads to right wing nonsense.
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Given that you decided everyone over a certain age is a baby boomer c**t I'd suggest trying to mock other people's lack of intelligence is possibly not the best angle to take.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #274
Grendel said:
Given that you decided everyone over a certain age is a baby boomer c**t I'd suggest trying to mock other people's lack of intelligence is possibly not the best angle to take.
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Nah just you being a c**t really. I have no prejudice against anyone but wankers. Which you clearly are.
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #275
Grendel said:
They describe themselves mainly as Marxists so....

10 Most Murderous Marxist Dictators - The Libertarian Republic
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Standing up to Nazis. Then you come out with a list of murderous Marxists. Standing up to oppressive ideology includes standing up to Marxism. Are you claiming all counter protesters were "they"?
 
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scubasteve

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #276
Liquid Gold said:
Like the second world war, do you condemn that. Because that was violence against the hard right that you love so much
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Comparing a war against a Nazi state, and 2 groups of idiots using violence are 2 different things, what a stupid thing to say.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #277
Grendel said:
They describe themselves mainly as Marxists so....

10 Most Murderous Marxist Dictators - The Libertarian Republic
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no they don't, (though there are certainly some marxists in there), but let's go with it for a minute - when did they ever march armed to the teeth with fire arms promoting a marxist agenda killing a counter protester in the process.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #278
scubasteve said:
I get it. you condone violence, I condemn violence.
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if you're making that statement then you don't get it.
Are you condemning allied forces fighting ISIS?
 
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scubasteve

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #279
Liquid Gold said:
Can you say that again in a way that someone with more than half a brain cell might understand.
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I do apologise for a typo on a fourm
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 25, 2017
  • #280
scubasteve said:
I do apologise for a typo on a fourm
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I don't really care about that. I'd rather you apologise for sympathising with nazis
 
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