SkyblueBazza
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I actually said that I consider this event to be a terrorist attack, didn't I?
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I actually said that I consider this event to be a terrorist attack, didn't I?Interested to know why? Would you not consider a lone wolf islamist driving a car at a crowd a terrorist attack?
Nope.
He isn't your cup of tea because he stood up to your beloved Mekel's EU and exposed it for what it is... A crumbling, corrupt institution geared to advance the German economy.
That's why you despise him and are so obsessed by him.
Nope.
He isn't your cup of tea because he stood up to your beloved Mekel's EU and exposed it for what it is... A crumbling, corrupt institution geared to advance the German economy.
That's why you despise him and are so obsessed by him.
It WAS called on a single point.The referendum was not called on a particular point which was so controversial and important at that moment that it would have been sensible to put it to the people. It was called because of right wing Tories not liking the EU, and the fact that UKIP was nibbling into Tory support. Nothing directly to do with the current EU terms or the welfare of the country as a whole, but just to save the Tory party from a possible split or loss of votes. It should never have been held - regardless of the outcome - and there is every reason to think about a second referendum based on what we now know instead of just BS from both sides.
I actually said that I consider this event to be a terrorist attack, didn't I?
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It WAS called on a single point.
Do you want in or, do you want out?
The reasons we are going around in circles with yet again (& way off topic) are pretty irrelevant. Why? Because people cast their vote how they did upon factors important & personal to THEM, probably with view to what will be best for future generations...influenced by how they see the EU has impacted things to date, given what is important to THEM.
Meanwhile back on topic. Racism is abhorrent. In the US I suspect Trump will gradually tone down his rhetoric to leave such extremists feeling abandoned or at least let down. That's what happens with every elected leader in every country. Its the nature of things...they promise the earth to everyone - but they only deliver a fair bit to their own minority financial backers, & a little bit to the majority. The non-financial backers minority are left in despair & look to vote for someone else next time.
The concern for me is that whether it is left or right politically, the current trend is to ridicule, shout down, discredit, deride or stop listening (other than to selectively leap onto things which allow any of the above) to others. The ultimate aim being unspoken but something akin to 'how dare you hold a view different to mine'...THAT is intolerance...& just the same thought process held by political, religious etc extremists.
Maybe the apparent anger & intolerance in expressed views on here indicate that extremism is pretty strong on both sides of the spectrum?
Get a grip, & question your own views as much as you do others is my advise to everyone (and I include myself in that!)
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This is true...along with the scare stories about everything from immigration to health issues to etc.current trend?! It's been going since the 80s at least. The sun and their loony left headlines.
This is true...along with the scare stories about everything from immigration to health issues to etc.
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It WAS called on a single point.
Do you want in or, do you want out?
The reasons we are going around in circles with yet again (& way off topic) are pretty irrelevant. Why? Because people cast their vote how they did upon factors important & personal to THEM, probably with view to what will be best for future generations...influenced by how they see the EU has impacted things to date, given what is important to THEM.
Meanwhile back on topic. Racism is abhorrent. In the US I suspect Trump will gradually tone down his rhetoric to leave such extremists feeling abandoned or at least let down. That's what happens with every elected leader in every country. Its the nature of things...they promise the earth to everyone - but they only deliver a fair bit to their own minority financial backers, & a little bit to the majority. The non-financial backers minority are left in despair & look to vote for someone else next time.
The concern for me is that whether it is left or right politically, the current trend is to ridicule, shout down, discredit, deride or stop listening (other than to selectively leap onto things which allow any of the above) to others. The ultimate aim being unspoken but something akin to 'how dare you hold a view different to mine'...THAT is intolerance...& just the same thought process held by political, religious etc extremists.
Maybe the apparent anger & intolerance in expressed views on here indicate that extremism is pretty strong on both sides of the spectrum?
Get a grip, & question your own views as much as you do others is my advise to everyone (and I include myself in that!)
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Nope.
He isn't your cup of tea because he stood up to your beloved Mekel's EU and exposed it for what it is... A crumbling, corrupt institution geared to advance the German economy.
That's why you despise him and are so obsessed by him.
I'm sure you have similar feelings towards me but I am so pleased people with your attitude are in the minority in this country. God help us if your views were in the ascendancy.
It WAS called on a single point.
Do you want in or, do you want out?
The reasons we are going around in circles with yet again (& way off topic) are pretty irrelevant. Why? Because people cast their vote how they did upon factors important & personal to THEM, probably with view to what will be best for future generations...influenced by how they see the EU has impacted things to date, given what is important to THEM.
Meanwhile back on topic. Racism is abhorrent. In the US I suspect Trump will gradually tone down his rhetoric to leave such extremists feeling abandoned or at least let down. That's what happens with every elected leader in every country. Its the nature of things...they promise the earth to everyone - but they only deliver a fair bit to their own minority financial backers, & a little bit to the majority. The non-financial backers minority are left in despair & look to vote for someone else next time.
The concern for me is that whether it is left or right politically, the current trend is to ridicule, shout down, discredit, deride or stop listening (other than to selectively leap onto things which allow any of the above) to others. The ultimate aim being unspoken but something akin to 'how dare you hold a view different to mine'...THAT is intolerance...& just the same thought process held by political, religious etc extremists.
Maybe the apparent anger & intolerance in expressed views on here indicate that extremism is pretty strong on both sides of the spectrum?
Get a grip, & question your own views as much as you do others is my advise to everyone (and I include myself in that!)
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Could you be more specific on the meaning of "out"? What does it entail and which parts of "out" did you vote for?
Luckily the likes of Ernie, Grendal et al are very much in the minority.
How is it crumbling? When is the Euro going to collapse? Genuine questions.
I voted out of the EU pretty clear to me.
I wouldn't call brexit a glowing endorsement for the EU. I remember Ireland voted twice no in a referendum and were told to vote again. Remember that?
France and Netherlands voted no in 2005 and it was ignored. Do you remember that? I do.
Although tbf to you Britain was always a square peg in a round hole. We didn't join the euro (thank goodness) and not part of Schengen.
so did you know about issues like Euratom or pharmacy regulation prior to the vote because I didn't to be honest but they're big issues.
As i said earlier, if it weren't for the clowns we have in government I probably would have voted leave but knowing about issues like the above may have changed my mind but I was oblivious and I read up a fair bit prior to the vote.
We live in a country where a handful of media moguls set the agenda and it's not healthy for 95% of the population.
i don't believe there was clarity about what leave means. I don't expect you though they'd be shipping boat loads of immigrants back to where they came from the day after the referendum but there were people who did.
All for a Corbyn vision of out, then?I voted out of the EU pretty clear to me.
It would be the same if we had a referendum to join as well though wouldn't it?
It's fairly obvious that people wouldn't know the intricate detail they'd vote on their general overall feeling. People no doubt thought that about immigration but also some thought we'd be kicked out of the European championships so voted to stay.
There were two elements to this. One - Cameron had specifically in his manifesto to have a referendum. Clegg and Milliband were classic euriphiles. Guess what? Cameron against all the odds won the election.
Then there was the referendum itself.
So the public wanted a referendum and they got it and then voted for leave. The other point to consider is the Tories actually attracted more votes in this election than for many many years on a leave agenda. Labour also said we must leave and must leave the single market - they were very specific about that and also recorded higher voting than many years.
The one party wanting a second referendum were pitifully rejected at the ballot box.
The debate is over.
I voted out of the EU pretty clear to me.
All for a Corbyn vision of out, then?
I wouldn't call brexit a glowing endorsement for the EU. I remember Ireland voted twice no in a referendum and were told to vote again. Remember that?
France and Netherlands voted no in 2005 and it was ignored. Do you remember that? I do.
Although tbf to you Britain was always a square peg in a round hole. We didn't join the euro (thank goodness) and not part of Schengen.
Apart from the election wasn't fought with Brexit as the main focus, was it?
It would be the same if we had a referendum to join as well though wouldn't it?
It's fairly obvious that people wouldn't know the intricate detail they'd vote on their general overall feeling. People no doubt thought that about immigration but also some thought we'd be kicked out of the European championships so voted to stay.
There were two elements to this. One - Cameron had specifically in his manifesto to have a referendum. Clegg and Milliband were classic euriphiles. Guess what? Cameron against all the odds won the election.
Then there was the referendum itself.
So the public wanted a referendum and they got it and then voted for leave. The other point to consider is the Tories actually attracted more votes in this election than for many many years on a leave agenda. Labour also said we must leave and must leave the single market - they were very specific about that and also recorded higher voting than many years.
The one party wanting a second referendum were pitifully rejected at the ballot box.
The debate is over.
Why? If the scare mongerers are telling the truth we are less than 2 years from the end of the world aren't we?
Why? If the scare mongerers are telling the truth we are less than 2 years from the end of the world aren't we?
We are less than 2 years from a major economic downturn. The wobbling has already started. Enjoy.
The debate obviously is far from over. There are a lot of unhappy remainers and leavers out there. Until we get a deal which the vast majority approve of, there will continue to be a debate and recriminations. Good luck with that.
He has little regard for society, as long as he is getting his bonus, who cares?
Surprises me tbh, never had you down as Trotskyist who fancied import tariffs, higher taxes, further state aid and unrestricted immigration.His personal vision? Yes absolutely. You?
I agree- he knows how to appeal to a huge base. Whether it's religious or racist. And that's the point. He knows how to appeal to racists but he's not one. He'll do what he has to to gain support- just like all politicans. Also, this is the flip side to what you said first,
Trump is white (not really white, kind of orange, but white enough), and Obama gave him grief throughout his entire campaign. He is also being blocked by the democrats and even federal judges in everything he tries to do. Many also believe he is racist, homophobic, and a bigot, and this is fueled by CNN, and various figures including vertually all celebrities, who cannot stand that an old white man who speaks his mind has replaced his former president.
Whatever your preference is, you cannot deny that Trump is the flip-side of Obama and that Obama's tenure has led us here.
Well you would love some recriminations against the will of the people wouldn't you.
More evidence of what you and your type really stand for.
I agree- he knows how to appeal to a huge base. Whether it's religious or racist. And that's the point. He knows how to appeal to racists but he's not one. He'll do what he has to to gain support- just like all politicans. Also, this is the flip side to what you said first,
Trump is white (not really white, kind of orange, but white enough), and Obama gave him grief throughout his entire campaign. He is also being blocked by the democrats and even federal judges in everything he tries to do. Many also believe he is racist, homophobic, and a bigot, and this is fueled by CNN, and various figures including vertually all celebrities, who cannot stand that an old white man who speaks his mind has replaced his former president.
Whatever your preference is, you cannot deny that Trump is the flip-side of Obama and that Obama's tenure has led us here.
Shameful that a black president has led to one who appeals to bigots and racists, and who put Bannon into power. This is supposed to be a key partner of Brexit Britian? Fucking hell.
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