Action Plan -- but how ? (1 Viewer)

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Voice_of_Reason said:

Do we not think our action plan should be to get ACL and SISU round the negotiating table and sort this mess out once and for all ? Yes, but how the hell do we achieve that ? Any ideas how to get them to stop behaving like spoilt kids and put the supporters and Coventry citizens first ?

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We are not listened too.

All we can do is show SISU we do not support them by not going to home matches.

FL should say Northampton is not viable due to fans not able to go for whatever reasoning. Probably backed up by SISU not progressing the stadium as they said they would.

Drop the NOPM conversations as fans will not go now regardless of this, solely on principle or simply unable too. May be construed FL as scaring people from attending when it's not.

Clarity required from ACL on what they have offered CCFC in the hope that a peppercorn rent has actually been turned down.

Perhaps boycotting events at the Ricoh, including the casino, etc might encourage ACL to the table.

italiahorse said:

We are not listened too.

All we can do is show SISU we do not support them by not going to home matches.

FL should say Northampton is not viable due to fans not able to go for whatever reasoning. Probably backed up by SISU not progressing the stadium as they said they would.

Drop the NOPM conversations as fans will not go now regardless of this, solely on principle or simply unable too. May be construed FL as scaring people from attending when it's not.

Clarity required from ACL on what they have offered CCFC in the hope that a peppercorn rent has actually been turned down.

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Who said it was turned down? Not even legal when offered (and what about the surcharge or levy the Council wanted to put on & above the price the owners were going to charge?)

Give me strength.

i'd hope that there would be significant numbers @ the forum on Thurs @ the Standard Triumph club,
whether allowed in or not, i.e. akin to the march to Broadgate,
to both, demonstrate and emphasise the support & strength of feeling for OUR club,
we have had enough of being treated this way,
Coventry City fans deserve more !
PUSB,
the protagonists, & we know who they are, may not be there,
though i'm sure they'll have lackies/persons around,
but, another opportunity to force the issue

stupot07 said:

Perhaps boycotting events at the Ricoh, including the casino, etc might encourage ACL to the table.

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You've got cause and effect the wrong way around in your logic path

ohitsaidwalker king power said:

You've got cause and effect the wrong way around in your logic path

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Is that what we're trying to do to sisu with nopm? Doesn't it make sense to have a twin track approach?

good grief, if you support CCFC,
then show, keep, & prove the faith

georgehudson said:

good grief, if you support CCFC,
then show, keep, & prove the faith

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How's spending money with ACL keeping the faith?

grendel, your bizarre agenda knows no bounds, other than your implicit belief in your own edict,
just for once, try listening to an opposite point of view,
in case you missed the obvious,
OUR CLUB is in crisis, & all you seem to do is trot out propaganda from 1 side only,
PUSB

georgehudson said:

grendel, your bizarre agenda knows no bounds, other than your implicit belief in your own edict,
just for once, try listening to an opposite point of view,
in case you missed the obvious,
OUR CLUB is in crisis, & all you seem to do is trot out propaganda from 1 side only,
PUSB

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He does have a point when it comes to people spending money with acl still....

& i don't deny that, because i am prepared to listen to more than 1 side of a discussion

georgehudson said:

& i don't deny that, because i am prepared to listen to more than 1 side of a discussion

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To be fair, Grendal has been boycotting Sixfields

RFC said:

Give me strength.

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We know you are weak. You go to Northampton.

Did I not start a thread like this days ago? Well I'll be....see a few are coming around then!

Paxman II said:

Did I not start a thread like this days ago? Well I'll be....see a few are coming around then!

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Most of us agree with this. The problem is that negotiations need to be from both sides. Joy is reported to have said a certain amount and no negotiations. And until they all are willing to talk nothing will happen.

Enough people stay away from the Casino anyway. Not sure it has much of a benefit stressing businesses. Maybe the casino and compass are renegotiating contracts? Ricoh will not want the negativity of being attached to this problem. A new tenant is the most likely outcome unless CCFC get back pretty sharpish. Catch 22. They both need each other.

Nick said:

He does have a point when it comes to people spending money with acl still....

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Please give an example of when any Ccfc fan has give a penny to acl since the start of the season.

italiahorse said:

We are not listened too.

All we can do is show SISU we do not support them by not going to home matches.

FL should say Northampton is not viable due to fans not able to go for whatever reasoning. Probably backed up by SISU not progressing the stadium as they said they would.

Drop the NOPM conversations as fans will not go now regardless of this, solely on principle or simply unable too. May be construed FL as scaring people from attending when it's not.

Clarity required from ACL on what they have offered CCFC in the hope that a peppercorn rent has actually been turned down.

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There is a problem as I understand it in that SISU are not talking to ACL, they've "moved on, that ship has sailed, the eagle has become a turkey etc.". Now if you believe the ACL statement about what Joy allegedly said then we won't be back until SISU own the Ricoh at her price. Now we don't know that what ACL said is true and it might be that the "ownership" she talked about was of ACL not the freehold. However either way the price that she quoted must have been so low that it wasn't worth much consideration. CCFC then released a statement through the club website on the 5th of August and said that they could answer every point ACL made, had nothing to hide and welcomed an investigation into asset tranfers. Haven't yet seen those points being answered though and indeed the leaks of documents have sort of undermined their statement about transfer of assets.

Tim promised me and all the supporters of our club a new stadium much earlier in the year, he said it would be financed by selling the land around the stadium to other firms to build on (like the Ricoh was). CCFC reiterated this claim that they were developing plans to build "our own stadium in the Coventry area" in their statement on August 5th. Should we read anything into that statement as it appears, in conjunction with the "and should own its stadium" comment attributed to Joy, to say that the club would own the new stadium. Sadly I'd have to say probably not in my opinion as Tim was a bit vague when asked that question at the Forums, however we would still be getting all the matchday revenues which is a good thing under FFP.

Now it has subsequently emerged that they have done precisely nothing in the planning side of this to get the new stadium built. That means that there is a good chance they are still banking on being able to return to the Ricoh in the near future. If ACL are convinced that we've moved on then Tim needs to step things up a gear regarding the new stadium because we won't have much support left if we're at Sixfields for the full five years.

Despite there being a serious breakdown of trust between the two parties, If SISU wanted to be back at the Ricoh they could probably do so very easily, they could just make a sensible offer to ACL. Not saying it would be accepted but at the same time it might help build bridges. However SISU appear to be playing our tactic of NOPM - to ACL, so any rent deal would break that and not help distress ACL further. The only way that SISU can actively hurt ACL now is by legal means, appealing the JR application challenging the original rent deal etc.

There's obviously a problem here in that the council might be willing to do a deal for either ACL or the freehold but they obviously need a reasonable price. SISU may have offered a reasonable price but I wouldn't put money on it and that may well be where the sticking point is. If SISU are still after the Ricoh on the cheap then they could be holding us back from a return to the Ricoh and thus Coventry if they don't want to give ACL anymore money. Keeping us at Sixfields for five years whilst they pick up the tab isn't a very financially prudent move for SISU if they or possibly their investors are picking up the bill.

ACL on the other hand are not actively seeking out the club and this could be because they're taking Tim at his word and as PWKH posted "they've moved on". Also whilst they could probably call Tim up and say "why don't you come back?" by doing that they could leave themselves open to a counter claim of customer poaching from NTFC. I wonder if ACL did make an offer of say £400k and their share of F&B revenues if SISU would take it or whether the NOPM to ACL would continue. I too would like to know the full terms of all the offers made by ACL but I suspect that there's no chance of that happening, especially whilst the JR application appeal is still hanging over them. The worry for me is that it's obvious we're going to be waiting a long time for a new stadium to be built, if there aren't any planning applications in yet. Thus If we've genuinely "moved on" as all the statements say, why haven't we got further along in the preparations for this new stadium and whilst it is lovely to hear that Tim has been looking for badger droppings I'd rather see some plans of our new home.

bigfatronssba said:

Please give an example of when any Ccfc fan has give a penny to acl since the start of the season.

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Legends game or the woman's match?

The problem as I see it is we are told sisu have moved on and also told ACL have moved on. But I have a feeling a lot of supporters have moved on too. In my job I speak to many people daily different types, when this Sixfields threat rose re. all the fans I spoke to only 2 said they would definitely go and about another half dozen may go now and again, talk to people now and and there's hardly any response bit of a shrug of the shoulders and that's it and that's only after 2 home games and decent weather.

Nick said:

Legends game or the woman's match?

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I thought profits we to charity and for the ladies it went to them.

Personally I do not care who spends money where or this nopm concept, its all a personal choice. The only thing that matters is getting ACL and SISU to talk and get things sorted so we can get back to the Ricoh. I do not mean Fisher either, Joy Sappala is the one who should be talking for SISU.

Nick said:

He does have a point when it comes to people spending money with acl still....

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you seem to have changed your position on things over the last few weeks or am i just reading too much into your comments

Pax/Grendel.. anyone who wears a SISU hat even tipped to oneside a little?.
Can you tell me on what grounds CCFC are playing at Sixfields.

• Is it because ACL refuse to let them play at the Ricoh?
• Is it because the Ricoh rent is now prohibitive lets use £400,000 for the purposes of the response even though it could well be less subject to administration approval?
• Is it because the Sixfield business plan supports the move- i.e projected costs over 1, 2 3-5 years are less at Sixfield than the Ricoh?

stupot07 said:

To be fair, Grendal has been boycotting Sixfields

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Grendel lost interest in CCFC long ago- or so he professed to me in a thread exchange- not quite sure why his interest is rekindled on this forum only?

Nick said:

Legends game or the woman's match?

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they were given the ricoh free for charity match & the money made went to charity

Nick said:

Legends game or the woman's match?

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I cant be certain for the womens match... but I am certain I read that the charity match costs were waived by ACL?

jesus-wept said:

The problem as I see it is we are told sisu have moved on and also told ACL have moved on. But I have a feeling a lot of supporters have moved on too. In my job I speak to many people daily different types, when this Sixfields threat rose re. all the fans I spoke to only 2 said they would definitely go and about another half dozen may go now and again, talk to people now and and there's hardly any response bit of a shrug of the shoulders and that's it and that's only after 2 home games and decent weather.

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You have a valid point there JW. The likes of us are discussing our next move and the consequences . I wonder how many true sky blues of the past have said that enough is enough , I can no longer support a team who's owners are so disconnected from the fan base that they think they can uproot the venue and take it 35 miles down the road . They are not boycotting sixfields , not supporting nopm, theve given up on the game !

blueflint said:

you seem to have changed your position on things over the last few weeks or am i just reading too much into your comments

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I don't have a position, I think it is wrong we are at the ricoh and all sides are to blame. It might be because I'm not jumping around getting angry at people going to games or wanting to punch Tim Fisher etc.

Nick said:

I don't have a position, I think it is wrong we are at the ricoh and all sides are to blame. It might be because I'm not jumping around getting angry at people going to games or wanting to punch Tim Fisher etc.

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To paraphrase Orwell.. "all sides are to blame, but some more to blame than others".....post 25.. can you tell me then on what grounds CCFC are playing at Sixfields?

• Is it because ACL refuse to let them play at the Ricoh?
• Is it because the Ricoh rent is now prohibitive lets use £400,000 for the purposes of the response even though it could well be less subject to administration approval?
• Is it because the Sixfield business plan supports the move- i.e projected costs over 1, 2 3-5 years are less at Sixfield than the Ricoh?

has joy diversion replied to the open invitation from ann yet? surely if she wants to get around the table she would have done this by now, ann's asked her for two separate meetings (one before cva and one since) that tells a story on its own.

ann has clout=no meeting
nikki has no clout=meeting/pr stunt for both

Action plan has to be to get the sides to talk and if one says no then find out why and overcome that issue.
Personally, I no longer care who owns the club just want them back at Ricoh