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  • Start date Feb 2, 2014
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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #71
Is the parking really the issue here? They have let a team representing our closest rivals play in our stadium (and I don't care what anyone says, it's ours). I am not okay with that.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #72
ccfcway said:
I used to drive to Cov games at HR, and it was a darn site more expensive to park on match days than it was for reserve games !

But you know that, you just want to keep up the arguement for some reason
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How much did they charge against Arseley in the cup versus the JPT semi final?
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #73
Grendel said:
No it isn't. In that case they would have doubled the price for the Crewe JPT game - Did they?
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I don't know. Usually the parking is cheaper than the event.:thinking about:But if demand is there.
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #74
mark82 said:
Is the parking really the issue here? They have let a team representing our closest rivals play in our stadium (and I don't care what anyone says, it's ours). I am not okay with that.
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Its an under 21 kick around and they are happy to pay the rent for it. If it was their 1st team that would be different, but its not.
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #75
mark82 said:
Is the parking really the issue here? They have let a team representing our closest rivals play in our stadium (and I don't care what anyone says, it's ours). I am not okay with that.
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So what form of protest are you planning? Non attendance?
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #76
Grendel said:
How much did they charge against Arseley in the cup versus the JPT semi final?
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If you went on Mastermind I'm sure you'd pick that Arseley game as your specialist subject.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #77
simple_simon said:
What a load of shite.
How else can ACL make the Ricoh pay its own way.
Covpete you are complete idiot.
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I thought it didn't need a football team
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #78
ccfcway said:
I can be pretty confident to say that should Old Trafford ever host a Man City Under 21 game, it would be cheaper to park near the ground than it would be for a Man Utd 1st team game. You dont agree ?
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So how come Manchester United shared Main Road with Manchester City in the past with both teams playing their fixtures there on a temporary basis?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #79
Hobo said:
So how come Manchester United shared Main Road with Manchester City in the past with both teams playing their fixtures there on a temporary basis?
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What on earth are you talking about? I think ccfcway is basically describing supply and demand pricing.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #80
Rusty Trombone said:
So what form of protest are you planning? Non attendance?
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That would be as ridiculous as NOPM.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #81
Grendel said:
I thought it was generally accepted that the CVA depended on two conditions;

10 year lease
Stop the Judicial Review
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We have moved on from there. The JR will happen whatever. But CCC are still willing to negotiate. And as we know they offered rent free this season and 100k for the next two. ...although SISU tried to make out the offer was never made. But as the offer was made through the FL and they did inform SISU of the offer the FL must have been happy to bend their rules again.
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #82
Hobo said:
So how come Manchester United shared Main Road with Manchester City in the past with both teams playing their fixtures there on a temporary basis?
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Probably because a big bomb had been dropped on Old Trafford by those nasty German fellows.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #83
fernandopartridge said:
I thought it didn't need a football team
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Quite. But don't dare criticize ACL. If Sisu had pulled something like this there would be people outside Tim Fishers kids school.
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #84
Grendel said:
How much did they charge against Arseley in the cup versus the JPT semi final?
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I dont know, how much ?
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #85
MichaelCCFC said:
When Tesco have a memorial garden for the ashes of former customers you can then compare ccfc with a supermarket. Until then, the comparison ignores the politics and complexities of the ccfc situation. As I said previously, pro acl posters make as little sense as pro sisu ones. No one seems to be able to offer a good reason for acl hosting this beyond making some money (in which case is this going to be a big money earner? seems doubtful) or else they are desperate for every penny (the pro acl people deny this) - so what is the motive for hosting the game?
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Surely if It ain't about the money ,As galling/annoying/Offensive some may fiind it,It must be symbolism that they will not wait,cannot wait while Rome burns.

It may be bluff like the new Stadium ,it may not be ,like the new Stadium,but they have to prepare us fans for the eventuality that we may not be able to return should they attract another serious entity to use the Stadium,whether It's percieved as realistic or not,It could become a reality.
 

Longford

Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #86
mark82 said:
Big flaw in that is that it would never happen in the first place.
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You are right. MU owners would never leave Old Trafford. SISU did.
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #87
Hobo said:
So how come Manchester United shared Main Road with Manchester City in the past with both teams playing their fixtures there on a temporary basis?
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nope, completely lost on this one. how much was the parking ?, and was it the same for 1st team games as under 21 games, as grendal is suggesting it might be ?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #88
mark82 said:
Quite. But don't dare criticize ACL. If Sisu had pulled something like this there would be people outside Tim Fishers kids school.
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And if SISU moved our club 34 miles away from Coventry all attendees at the games would protest.
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #89
mark82 said:
Quite. But don't dare criticize ACL. If Sisu had pulled something like this there would be people outside Tim Fishers kids school.
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There may be many valid things to criticise them for, taking too long to make reduced rent offers would be a good one, but letting a football match take place on a football pitch doesn't offend too many people.
 
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MichaelCCFC

New Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #90
wingy said:
Surely if It ain't about the money ,As galling/annoying/Offensive some may fiind it,It must be symbolism that they will not wait,cannot wait while Rome burns.

It may be bluff like the new Stadium ,it may not be ,like the new Stadium,but they have to prepare us fans for the eventuality that we may not be able to return should they attract another serious entity to use the Stadium,whether It's percieved as realistic or not,It could become a reality.
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Some sense at last. Wingy, if you're at Bristol on tuesday I'll buy you a pint!
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #91
Astute said:
And if SISU moved our club 34 miles away from Coventry all attendees at the games would protest.
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Well, everyone knows they should do. I boycott so wouldn't know.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #92
Rusty Trombone said:
There may be many valid things to criticise them for, taking too long to make reduced rent offers would be a good one, but letting a football match take place on a football pitch doesn't offend too many people.
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To be fair, you are right. I'm angry at the fact we aren't playing there.
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #93
fernandopartridge said:
What on earth are you talking about? I think ccfcway is basically describing supply and demand pricing.
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Mark82 said it would never happen in the first place?....which seems to be echoed throughout the thread. ...local rivals disgrace etc.,

The other point I'd make is Anfield used to be Evertons ground.

So great local rivalry is more a fan thing than a club thing.
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #94
mark82 said:
To be fair, you are right. I'm angry at the fact we aren't playing there.
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Good man, I'd willingly share my Minstrels with you, they calm any situation (Kofi Annan swore by them). We'll get Grendel round, he can tell us about that bloody Arseley game (again).
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #95
Rusty Trombone said:
Good man, I'd willingly share my Minstrels with you, they calm any situation (Kofi Annan swore by them). We'll get Grendel round, he can tell us about that bloody Arseley game (again).
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I stand by that ACL aren't guilt free though!

At the end of the day every one of us wants ccfc back at the Ricoh. We just have different opinions on how it should be done. Blame doesn't matter, we need our team back.
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 2, 2014
  • #96
what happened at this aresley game ?, is it like the fishing trip in gavin and stacey ?
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Feb 3, 2014
  • #97
I can't take it anymore... It's Arlesey.

Sorry for the pedantism (is that a word).
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2014
  • #98
mark82 said:
To be fair, you are right. I'm angry at the fact we aren't playing there.
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We all agree with this. But it could be five years before we go back......If we ever do. Although I would think we would be back once SISU are gone even if they do build that ground they keep going on about.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2014
  • #99
mark82 said:
I can't take it anymore... It's Arlesey.

Sorry for the pedantism (is that a word).
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But Arseley sounds better
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2014
  • #100
MichaelCCFC said:
Some sense at last. Wingy, if you're at Bristol on tuesday I'll buy you a pint!
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Hoping to make It to the Squirerel and Bristol.
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2014
  • #101
still dont know what happened ?
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2014
  • #102
@ covpete......I hope the half a dozen of you have a pleasant day out...Don't forget to make sure your banners are "Flame retardent" won't you!
 
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Noggin

New Member
  • Feb 3, 2014
  • #103
Grendel said:
No it isn't. In that case they would have doubled the price for the Crewe JPT game - Did they?
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That would have been stupid, absolutely stupid, parking would have been 4x ticket price, it would have generated immense ill will and possibly not brought in more money as people rebelled.

your pricing being very strongly influenced by supply and demand doesn't necessarily mean massive demand massive pricing as there are large downsides to that.

This isn't subsidised parking, it's presumably the price they think is reasonable that will maximise revenue. If they charged £10 revenue would be lower, You'd be completely nuts to pay £10 to park at the ricoh for a reserve game when you can park in Tescos instead. I know you can for the main games too but there are people there to prevent it and you risk a big fine, or at least having to spend £20 before you leave. That said this is what we do now (or did before Sisu fucked it up) park at Tesco, have a pizza after the game, leave, the car park attendants have gone by then and it would probably be fine with the pizza hut receipt if they hadn't.

Were ACL making profits out of Coventry city fans with their parking prices, absolutly, were they a rip off, absolutely, though that is the norm for parking at event stadia, worst being the 02, £30 to park, £21 if you pay in advance, £28 in a wheelchair, £13.50 in a wheelchair in advance, cost us £50 for a disabled space at silverstone last year. ACL were charging what they thought would maximise their revenues, just like most the companies in the world. Charging £3 for this game won't be subsidised, it will be what they think will bring them the most money.
 

lewys33

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2014
  • #104
Noggin said:
That would have been stupid, absolutely stupid, parking would have been 4x ticket price, it would have generated immense ill will and possibly not brought in more money as people rebelled.

your pricing being very strongly influenced by supply and demand doesn't necessarily mean massive demand massive pricing as there are large downsides to that.

This isn't subsidised parking, it's presumably the price they think is reasonable that will maximise revenue. If they charged £10 revenue would be lower, You'd be completely nuts to pay £10 to park at the ricoh for a reserve game when you can park in Tescos instead. I know you can for the main games too but there are people there to prevent it and you risk a big fine, or at least having to spend £20 before you leave. That said this is what we do now (or did before Sisu fucked it up) park at Tesco, have a pizza after the game, leave, the car park attendants have gone by then and it would probably be fine with the pizza hut receipt if they hadn't.

Were ACL making profits out of Coventry city fans with their parking prices, absolutly, were they a rip off, absolutely, though that is the norm for parking at event stadia, worst being the 02, £30 to park, £21 if you pay in advance, £28 in a wheelchair, £13.50 in a wheelchair in advance, cost us £50 for a disabled space at silverstone last year. ACL were charging what they thought would maximise their revenues, just like most the companies in the world. Charging £3 for this game won't be subsidised, it will be what they think will bring them the most money.
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I wouldn't bother rising to him. Arguing about car parking whilst we play in Northampton is moronic!
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Feb 3, 2014
  • #105
Isn't the reality that the business connections of CCFC to the Ricoh have all but been severed. It would seem to me that the only connection is the big sign on the side of the stadium.

The two companies that actually had a contract to play there are now empty shells and about to be struck off
The liquidator has disclaimed the lease and licence so that no longer exists
There are no contracts between ACL and Otium Entertainment Group Ltd (and therefore CCFC)
There is no commerce being conducted between ACL and OEG
There are no talks at any senior level between ACL and OEG

Like it or not ACL have their own business to run, it might not be what the CCFC fans want to see, but ACL have no immediate responsibility to CCFC fans any more. If someone else wants to use the stadium bowl from a business point of view why turn it down when CCFC have already repeatedly said they wont come back and rent in any shape or form It might seem hard nosed and heartless but is no more so than moving the club 35 miles away from the majority of its fans for a projected 5 years. It is just business however (on both sides)

Take away the emotion and you are left on both sides with cold business, the business of financial survival. (please don't read that as either side is about to go bust it is not what I am saying)

If people choose to protest ACL out that's their right....... but to what end, how would it work, who would pay the cost, etc...... also get the actual structure right SISU never negotiated with ACL for 50% of the business they talked with the Charity about that
 
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