Could someone explain what purpose Holdings now has if Otium has the share?[/QUOTE
They have to have somewhere to load all the debt
So in 5 years time we can brush off our dusty old notes on Administration for dummies, and argue if Holdings or Otium entertainment are the club?
Okay I'm sure someone could be found who is neutral and removed from all this.
Also it would be nice if details of the offers and counter offers from both sides were published verbatim but I bet that'll never happen
Funny how reading positions can be different isn't it?
Not saying you're wrong as who knows! But from my reading he was desperately keen for talks, as now the balance of power shifts in his direction.
Regardless of which reading's right however he's said it, so now's the time to push for it.
I'm not being sarcastic here, but did you listen to the interview?
Sure they could.
I admire your optimism
tbf to both sides as it affects their financial positions elsewhere, I can;t see any realistic way that could happen however, just from a practical sense. If there was a (genuinely) independent party present however, it could at least clarify debate.
The practicalities can be worked out later though can't they? At the moment the message should be club and stadium co. should meet!
Yes I did.
And from my perspective he kept saying he wanted to talk and, Linnell being slightly surprised and actually doing his job, made sure there was absiolutely no doubt about what he meant by that.
I wonder why Fisher is now on radio saying that he will happily sit down for new talks with ACL and the council when he categorically said earlier that there was no chance on the Ricoh.
Liquidation of Limited now allows for a new lease to be drawn up which hopefully shouldn't be too tricky...
I'm not being sarcastic here, but did you listen to the interview? Linnell seemed to come at it from about six different directions, until finally he got something along the lines of "if Martin Reeves called you would you talk to him?". Even then it seemed like the most grudging of responses to me.
I take your point though - we could just be hearing it in different ways.
I hope I'm wrong, but I predict that by Tuesday or Weds next week, TF will have found something that somehow prevents him from accepting ACL's offer.
Fair enough - I must confess that wasn't the way I heard it. Maybe I was grinding my teeth too hard and it affected my hearing.
To be clear, even now I'd be delighted if they could thrash out a deal - but I just don't think it's part of the SISU strategy. Happy to be proved wrong.
So in 5 years time we can brush off our dusty old notes on Administration for dummies, and argue if Holdings or Otium entertainment are the club?
I like the words Thrash and Tim, especially if used in the same sentence.
In fairness you know, outside of this he could be the nicest bloke in the world, is kind to his kids, gives generously to charity etc., but I can't listen to him without wanting to smash the radio in. It's just lucky we haven't got a cat.
" Sisu are experts in operating within the law." as well as outside the law why else would they be registered in the caymans other than to avoid our taxes etc
The point is an offshiore trust to avoid tax isn't illegal.
Hence why Robinson had similar.
And Ranson used offshore companies too.
http://www.insideworldfootball.com/...cott-cardiff-has-a-certain-kind-of-attraction
It's slightly flippant, but I do wonder if being cursed with a smug face isn't helping his cause just atm!
never said it was just an observation as to how they do business
It's not outside the law though.
Whether it should be is another matter.
But it isn't.
I can't imagine that SISU do anything illegal, but fwiw I'll tell you who really likes multi-layered, opaque company structures, based outside convential banking regulation, and with no obvious beneficial owner.
Money launderers.
Generally speaking they also don't worry too much about running up large debts in their companies either, as long as they can turn some money around.
I am so ****** off that ACL rejected the CVA, especially after claiming to apply for admin to prevent liquidation for the fans, only to then liquidate us....probably for the good of the fans
Maybe it was a liquidation with the view to the end of the club they were talking about back then.
As oppose to one that losses them 600k and the club 10 points.
There is a reason why someone turns down 600k.......
Come on Don, they were never going to liquidate and end club, and ACLs claim was always against Ltd as that's where the the lease was and that's who owed ACL the money.
I'd really recommend this one to anyone thinking of reading up on money laundering
The Laundrymen: Inside the World's Third Largest Business
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Laundrymen-...r=1-3&keywords=jeffrey+robinson&tag=skblta-21
I don't buy the money laundering theory. Surely if this was what they were up to they'd just pay the rent as they'd never want anyone even thinking about looking at things in more detail.
Have they done anything illegal, who knows but I'd love to see a proper investigation with forensic accountants called in. At the very least there must be some suspicion of asset stripping. A lot of people seem certain SISU are too clever to have done anything illegal but when you're on the fine line between legal and illegal it only takes a small mistake for you to find yourself on the wrong side of the line. With such a complex ownership structure and assets seemingly being passed around all over the place who would want to guarantee someone, somewhere along the line hasn't made an error?
Why because its the truth. You are the nemises to the true sky blue moron who is the only obvious sisu plant or villa fan on here. You are a council troll and my mission now is to expose and destroy you.
Why because its the truth. You are the nemises to the true sky blue moron who is the only obvious sisu plant or villa fan on here. You are a council troll and my mission now is to expose and destroy you.
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