Academy future? (1 Viewer)

skybluetony176 · Mar 18, 2016

CCFC said:
Its a fair point but then what irritates me is when these other parties then pretend to care about the football club and pretend they have considered the interest of the football club in a bid to win support from the easily influenced ccfc fans.

I don't think Higgs were pretending when they invested in the centre with the facilities specifically to allow CCFC to use it for the purpose of gaining cat 2 status. CCFC didn't have the money to do it themselves and the Higgs family not for the first acted for the benefit of CCFC. It seems impossible to do our club a favour without it coming back to bite you. Some should remember who provided the help in the first place not only on this but when our powers that be at the time needed to sell our share in ACL not to mention old man Higgs involvement in running club back in the day and inevitably bailing it out. It's a great shame that things have gotten like this between ccfc and the Higgs family. They've always previously acted with the clubs interest at heart and it's only ever come back to bite them. Who would blame them if they did finally want to cut all ties with the club given everything that's happened over the last few years?

skybluetony176 · Mar 18, 2016

Terry Gibson's perm said:
Total madness if it can't wash its face why bother

It's an investment in the community? Alot of people want one, alot of people signed a petition to have one in the city. It doesn't always have to be about profit for value for money. Especially when it's a community asset.

Terry Gibson's perm · Mar 18, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
It's an investment in the community? Alot of people want one, alot of people signed a petition to have one in the city. It doesn't always have to be about profit for value for money. Especially when it's a community asset.

A lot of people sign a lot of petitions, if theses people are so desperate for a 50m pool they should put a tick box on their council tax to say they will make a donation towards its running costs see how many want it then, there are more important services being cut than a swimming pool, thankfully I am not in the city and we have our own dopey council to argue with

Moff · Mar 18, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
1964-1968. Miss Snelgrove the Drama teacher, phwoarrrr.(Holly willoughbooby lookalike,) Jack Lemon headmaster, Bullbeck, Grove housemaster(Twat) I was in Hood house. I once wagged school in the woods with some others(Local bobby caught us) never wagged again lol.

skyblueindorset said:
Looks like you got there just after I left at the end of '63. I was in Stoneleigh.

Blimey you two pre date Richard Keys at Whitley.

I am with skyblueindorset as ex stoneleigh house myself.

Grendel · Mar 18, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
It's an investment in the community? Alot of people want one, alot of people signed a petition to have one in the city. It doesn't always have to be about profit for value for money. Especially when it's a community asset.

I thought the council had to always think about profit which is why they had to sell their interest in ACL. CCFC is a community asset isn't it?

Jack Griffin · Mar 18, 2016

Moff said:
Blimey you two pre date Richard Keys at Whitley.

I am with skyblueindorset as ex stoneleigh house myself.

Shit me too. Joe Short was Stoneleigh house master when I started, Mr Castledon took over in early 70's.

Moff · Mar 18, 2016

Jack Griffin said:
Shit me too. Joe Short was Stoneleigh house master when I started, Mr Castledon took over in early 70's.

You predate me there as well Jack, Mrs Brown was head of Stoneleigh when I started, in the mid 80's.

skyblueinBaku · Mar 18, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
Forget the name of Stoneleigh housemaster but I remember his nickname... "Spitfire" lol

The housemaster was Joe Short and when I started there the headmaster was Fred Lewis.

Astute · Mar 19, 2016

Grendel said:
I thought the council had to always think about profit which is why they had to sell their interest in ACL. CCFC is a community asset isn't it?

CCFC is a SISU asset. And those that have tried to help CCFC in the past before SISU turned up have found them difficult at best to deal with them. So who in their right mind would continue to try and help without guarantees in place?

Sky Blue Kid · Mar 19, 2016

Moff said:
Blimey you two pre date Richard Keys at Whitley.

I am with skyblueindorset as ex stoneleigh house myself.

I played football in the same team as Richard Keys, good player, could have become Pro but never really achieved, or wanted to achieve it badly enough.

skybluealan · Mar 19, 2016

skyblueindorset said:
Looks like you got there just after I left at the end of '63. I was in Stoneleigh.

I left in 63 and also was in Stoneleigh. Might have know you.

Hobo · Mar 19, 2016

chiefdave said:
FFS you can't really be this stupid. I have not said everyone is part of some big conspiracy, I have said given the information we have, along with the rumours we have heard - some from better sources than others, we should be slightly concerned that Wasps have the Higgs in their sights and our staying there may not be on their agenda if they do.

I would rather the question is asked now, its a very simple question to answer, than wait and find out we have no academy any more. Not sure why you're so up in arms at the thought of one simple question being asked and way you see that as a much worse option than just waiting and seeing if we get kicked out.

Maybe if some questions had been asked earlier regarding the sale of ACL it might not have ended up in the hands of Wasps. Probably why the council did a deal with the local media to suppress the story.

And the reason we should be worried about Wasps having Higgs in their sights, is Wasps will pay to acquire it and SISU won't see value in it...despite Joys pretentious about being a property developer.

oldskyblue58 · Mar 19, 2016

Seems there were a number of us at Whitley Abbey and in Stoneleigh. I was the year behind Keys and left in 1975

James Smith · Mar 21, 2016

CCFC said:
And what if they can't tell you what you want to hear? How can the club guarantee long term cat 2 status when they have no control or indluence over what the higgs do? How can they tell us we have a long term future at cat 2 when the facility is being altered to no longer meet the criteria and, a decision which the club have no say in and without a suitable alternative venue.

Its obvious the people making the decisions at the higgs have no regard for the future of the ccfc academy. Ideally we'd build a new academy centre which the club have full control of and then these uncertainties wouldn't exist

Don't forget (and I got pulled up on this) that the Higgs charity trustees and the Higgs Centre Trustees aren't all the same people. Isn't Mutton a Centre trustee?

oldskyblue58 · Mar 21, 2016

no regard but spent £11m of the Charities money to build a suitable training centre for the Academy in the first place when no one else could or would. Then had to deal with a delinquent tenant.

Not up to the Charity to safe guard the Academy or its future though is it.

chiefdave · Mar 21, 2016

James Smith said:
Don't forget (and I got pulled up on this) that the Higgs charity trustees and the Higgs Centre Trustees aren't all the same people. Isn't Mutton a Centre trustee?

Totally independent so we are told despite many of the same people being involved with both.

Mutton is, or at least was at one point, a Centre trustee.

dongonzalos · Mar 21, 2016

Has the club made a statement about this?

oldskyblue58 · Mar 21, 2016

Actually only PWKH is involved in both. As secretary & director of the AHCT (a decision maker) and as clerk to the Trustees of the Charity (that's not a decision making position)

Other than that there has never been a cross over of others from AEHC

dongonzalos · Mar 21, 2016

Sick Boy said:
Nearly as bad as moving a club 95 miles, eh.

Luckily our sport no longer allows that. You can only get away with trying to do it temporarily say 3-5 years and with a radius set so you can't go too far. (Say an hours drive away. ) I would guess you would have to have no other option though to go to those lengths otherwise your fans would probably not understand it and protests against it.

georgehudson · Mar 21, 2016

i was in stoneleigh boys, left in 66, boys house master then was joe short, he had a yorkshire accent & a pet phrase when about to give the cane was 'get away to my room lad'

skyblueinBaku · Mar 22, 2016

georgehudson said:
i was in stoneleigh boys, left in 66, boys house master then was joe short, he had a yorkshire accent & a pet phrase when about to give the cane was 'get away to my room lad'

Yeah, Joe was from Redcar.

dongonzalos · Mar 22, 2016

Skyblueweeman said:
Yet more Telegraph spin causing pant-sh*tting amongst Cov fans.

This isn't confirmed....a couple of bits taken from the article:

The new pool could be built on the site of the existing indoor pitch, which they use - See that word 'could'? Not will be, but could.

But the details of the pool plans are still being worked out and that no final decision about location has been made.

Happy Friday SBT'ers.

WM

Mate not been funny but......

TF said we would move away. we never believed they would really be that stupid, but they were. We never really believed the FA would allow it as it clearly wasn't necessary but they did.
AL said if SISU didn't stop messing around she would go else where. Most didn't believe that. Where would you find another sporting club big enough to move into the Ricoh ect ect. She did and it was sold to them.
The Higgs charity have said if CCFC won't to sign up long term, they will have to look at alternatives....
Excuse me if I fully believe this will happen.
For whatever reason we only see these purpose built academy facilities worthy of a one year rolling contract. When everybody accepts the academy is the most important thing for our future.
Like when buying ACL was the most important thing for our future. This is been handled the same way.
We didn't sign up long term. We are now going to lose it. It really is as simple as that.

ceetee · Mar 22, 2016

The owners won't invest long term.
The club can't afford or won't commit beyond year to year

If the Maddison money is spent on the Academy, fans will complain when there's no money to spend on players, because most fan's definition of investment is spending on player transfers.

Happy days

chiefdave · Mar 22, 2016

dongonzalos said:
The Higgs charity have said if CCFC won't to sign up long term, they will have to look at alternatives....

The Higgs Charity didn't have anything to do with the Alan Higgs Centre, that was the Alan Higgs Centre Trust. In any case the Coventry and Warwickshire Award Trust is now running the Alan Higgs Centre.

dongonzalos · Mar 24, 2016

chiefdave said:
The Higgs Charity didn't have anything to do with the Alan Higgs Centre, that was the Alan Higgs Centre Trust. In any case the Coventry and Warwickshire Award Trust is now running the Alan Higgs Centre.

Thanks for that
The club only see a purpose built academy venue worth signing up for once a year, for a year. Whilst we build our own academy. If the owners of that facility (whoever they are) decide they want more stability and a more permanent use for it. We can hardly play the victim.
So the very important question is where are we with building our own academy
This pool maybe in place in 2-3 years.
The academy is going to be the focal point of our team in the future?

chiefdave · Mar 30, 2016

Asked the all important question on the CT Facebook page and got this reply from Simon Gilbert:

We asked the council at the time we broke the original story - they say nothing has been decided yet. However, it's our understanding the initially preferred location was at the current site of the indoor pitch. Nothing has been confirmed yet. CCFC have declined to comment so far.

Captain Dart · Mar 30, 2016

chiefdave said:
Asked the all important question on the CT Facebook page and got this reply from Simon Gilbert:

Have any other possible locations been identified?

stupot07 · May 14, 2016

Heard from a reliable source the swimming pool and wasps moving their academy/training facilities to the higgs in the near future is pretty much a done deal.

They know the general public will rarely use the swimming pool but the swimming association are keen to fund it so they can develop their elite swimmers.

From the conversation I had, this is very much part of the CCC sports strategy and would have happened regardless of whether our academy were on a long contract or not.

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Nick · May 14, 2016

stupot07 said:
Heard from a reliable source the swimming pool and wasps moving their academy/training facilities to the higgs in the near future is pretty much a done deal.

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Anything about the land next to it?

Hasnt Anderson come out and said he is actively trying to renew it?

AFCCOVENTRY · May 14, 2016

Higgs doesn't want any association with CCFC anymore.

Nick · May 14, 2016

AFCCOVENTRY said:
Higgs doesn't want any association with CCFC anymore.

Where's that been said? It's nothing to do with higgs now is it apart from the name?

stupot07 · May 14, 2016

Nick said:
Anything about the land next to it?

Hasnt Anderson come out and said he is actively trying to renew it?

No, didn't say anything about the land, yes were trying to renew and get a long term deal.

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stupot07 · May 14, 2016

AFCCOVENTRY said:
Higgs doesn't want any association with CCFC anymore.

Nick said:
Where's that been said? It's nothing to do with higgs now is it apart from the name?

That's right, it's run by the sports foundation not the higgs charity.

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Nick · May 14, 2016

stupot07 said:
No, didn't say anything about the land, yes were trying to renew and get a long term deal.

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Just need to wait for the contradictory statement. If the club is trying to get something long term sorted, but they sort it with wasps etc then it's clearly because the club wouldn't commit long term...

dongonzalos · May 14, 2016

stupot07 said:
Heard from a reliable source the swimming pool and wasps moving their academy/training facilities to the higgs in the near future is pretty much a done deal.

They know the general public will rarely use the swimming pool but the swimming association are keen to fund it so they can develop their elite swimmers.

From the conversation I had, this is very much part of the CCC sports strategy and would have happened regardless of whether our academy were on a long contract or not.

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Whoever is dealing with SISU now if they get a alternative that will be long term solution, they won't mess around.
It's a real shame.

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