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steve82 · Jul 19, 2017

Interesting piece in the telegraph and a interesting quote to read back from TM

I didn't realise Aaron Martin has snapped his Achilles' tendon last December and in now returning to fitness. Anyway the main interesting bit was TMs reason for releasing him. It still amazes me now

Mowbray told the Telegraph: “It was a tough decision – probably the toughest decision of them all I’d have to say because he has done everything I have asked of him.

“I have a photofit of how I see central defenders – I want them to come in and be aggressive and, at times, go to war and be leaders and men.

“Listen, he’s a fantastic lad and I haven’t got anything negative to say about him but he just falls a bit short of the central defender that I want for this football club, to be the man who can dominate the back line."

So he goes and signed for a fee Jordan Turnbull. A like for like in character and similar in abilities.

The most bizarre decision of the whole summer 2016.

Ex-City defender bravely battling his way back from horror injury

ajsccfc · Jul 19, 2017

If he wanted someone manly, you could forgive Mowbray for being fooled by Turnbull's glorious beard.

I always liked Martin, letting him go was a move I wasn't keen on.

fernandopartridge · Jul 19, 2017

Turnbull is actually the next Aaron Martin, both came through the Southampton youth system. Both are capable of their day but need coaching through games sometimes.

sw88 · Jul 19, 2017

One of the Most bizarre of Mowbray decisions last summer for sure! And that list was lengthy!

I_Saw_Shaw_Score · Jul 19, 2017

I remember that quote at the time and I thought harsh but fair enough, then he goes and replaces him with Turnball!

robbiekeane · Jul 19, 2017

Mowbray turned about to be a bit of a lemon really didn't he

I_Saw_Shaw_Score · Jul 19, 2017

robbiekeane said:
Mowbray turned about to be a bit of a lemon really didn't he

Hunt, Ramage, Henderson..... I don't know what you mean!

Astute · Jul 19, 2017

I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
I remember that quote at the time and I thought harsh but fair enough, then he goes and replaces him with Turnball!

Who?

Never heard of him :shifty:

I_Saw_Shaw_Score · Jul 19, 2017

Astute said:
Who?

Never heard of him :shifty:

Bull/Ball

Grendel · Jul 19, 2017

robbiekeane said:
Mowbray turned about to be a bit of a lemon really didn't he

He couldn't adjust to being a league one manager. Trying to shop in waitrose on an aldi budget couldn't work and he wouldn't budge. He will be the big spender at Blackburn in this league.

His decline here and refusal to adapt was unacceptable.

Astute · Jul 19, 2017

I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
Bull/Ball

Steve Bull/Alan Ball

Would settle for either.

I_Saw_Shaw_Score · Jul 19, 2017

Astute said:
Steve Bull/Alan Ball

Would settle for either.

We'd get Red & Callum

coop · Jul 19, 2017

Maybe he should of kept Reda as he was the player he was looking although he was out injured for most of our season and has green piss.

Suffolk sky blues · Jul 19, 2017

Both mediocre players that's been city's problem for a long time.

sw88 · Jul 19, 2017

coop said:
Maybe he should of kept Reda as he was the player he was looking although he was out injured for most of our season and has green piss.

If Reda was any good he wouldn't still be at Eastleigh playing half a season of football.

One right call TM made IMO was to not re-sign Reda

Hobo · Jul 19, 2017

steve82 said:
Interesting piece in the telegraph and a interesting quote to read back from TM

I didn't realise Aaron Martin has snapped his Achilles' tendon last December and in now returning to fitness. Anyway the main interesting bit was TMs reason for releasing him. It still amazes me now

Mowbray told the Telegraph: “It was a tough decision – probably the toughest decision of them all I’d have to say because he has done everything I have asked of him.

“I have a photofit of how I see central defenders – I want them to come in and be aggressive and, at times, go to war and be leaders and men.

“Listen, he’s a fantastic lad and I haven’t got anything negative to say about him but he just falls a bit short of the central defender that I want for this football club, to be the man who can dominate the back line."

So he goes and signed for a fee Jordan Turnbull. A like for like in character and similar in abilities.

The most bizarre decision of the whole summer 2016.

Ex-City defender bravely battling his way back from horror injury

Yet when Mowbray arrived, he got Martin to concentrate on the basics and simple side of defending. It was under Mowbray that Martin started to look half decent. Before Mowbray arrived Martin was on most City fans lists to be binned at the end of the season.

Gazolba · Jul 19, 2017

This all just goes to prove that Mowbray is not the great manager most of us thought he was.
Those blank looks in most of the photos of him should have told us something.

martcov · Jul 19, 2017

Gazolba said:
This all just goes to prove that Mowbray is not the great manager most of us thought he was.
Those blank looks in most of the photos of him should have told us something.

A bit like Venus' post Sheffield match interview look which showed he was not the man to succeed TM...

steve82 · Jul 19, 2017

Hobo said:
Yet when Mowbray arrived, he got Martin to concentrate on the basics and simple side of defending. It was under Mowbray that Martin started to look half decent. Before Mowbray arrived Martin was on most City fans lists to be binned at the end of the season.

Yeah, all true. Mowbray got him playing, but then binned him off at the end of his contract while paying a fee for a like for like replacement on a already tight budget.

That's what don't make sense.

Hobo · Jul 19, 2017

steve82 said:
Yeah, all true. Mowbray got him playing, but then binned him off at the end of his contract while paying a fee for a like for like replacement on a already tight budget.

That's what don't make sense.

I thought Martin had perhaps done enough to earn another contract. However Mowbray deciding he perhaps didn't quite have enough and releasing him wasn't necessarily a wrong decision.

Turnbull I think had more potential and a better ball playing centre half, when playing with confidence. I personally don't see Turnbull as a like for like replacement. I think it is evident Mowbray was still looking for his dominant centre half, which never materialised.

Sometimes you have to let players go before the replacement is across the line. Signing players isn't easy and sometimes funds need to be freed up. We don't know what the targets were and why we missed out. Football clubs don't tend to say oh we went for him and him and didn't get him. Because that would relegate a future signing to a third choice signing.

Mowbray tried to be patient but it backfired because he didn't get enough quality across the line. Possibly because he was setting his sights too high for our budget.

Whether we would have been more robust retaining Martin we will never know.

Ricketts · Jul 19, 2017

I was chatting to TM at one of the sponsors training day things and he was saying how skilful and excellent some of the players are, Cian Harries and that kid I cant remember his name, funny hairband, went to Norwich reserves.

As an example of how unskilful players are, he used Aaaaron Martin.

skyblue025 · Jul 19, 2017

Mowbray had his targets lined up then his budget was slashed. He went from his first or second choices to his last choices which as we know weren't up to it. Turnbull was a disappointment, but Southampton fans were unhappy he was released as they thought he would be pushing for the first team.

Mowbray gave us six months of hope and excellent football. If he had been given a bit more support maybe we would of signed a better calibre of player than Henderson, Damage and Hunt. He was also incredibly unlucky in that every centre half we had got a long term injury.

Grendel · Jul 19, 2017

skyblue025 said:
Mowbray had his targets lined up then his budget was slashed. He went from his first or second choices to his last choices which as we know weren't up to it. Turnbull was a disappointment, but Southampton fans were unhappy he was released as they thought he would be pushing for the first team.

Mowbray gave us six months of hope and excellent football. If he had been given a bit more support maybe we would of signed a better calibre of player than Henderson, Damage and Hunt. He was also incredibly unlucky in that every centre half we had got a long term injury.

His slashed budget? So signing Turnbull on a fee and not resigning Martin was a sign of that? Resigning Ricketts and Tudgay? Embarrassing decisions really.

Skyblueweeman · Jul 19, 2017

Anyone seen CCFC4life?

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covcity4life · Jul 19, 2017

Was never that good. Suits OP agenda though

skyblue025 · Jul 19, 2017

Grendel said:
His slashed budget? So signing Turnbull on a fee and not resigning Martin was a sign of that? Resigning Ricketts and Tudgay? Embarrassing decisions really.

If you have any evidence we paid a fee for Turnbull I wouldn't mind seeing it. I was told he was free with Saints getting 50% sell on. Agree on Ricketts and Tudgay though, were past it.

Nick · Jul 19, 2017

skyblue025 said:
If you have any evidence we paid a fee for Turnbull I wouldn't mind seeing it. I was told he was free with Saints getting 50% sell on. Agree on Ricketts and Tudgay though, were past it.

I think that it wasn't a free transfer and it was a fee says that?

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Jul 19, 2017

skyblue025 said:
If you have any evidence we paid a fee for Turnbull I wouldn't mind seeing it. I was told he was free with Saints getting 50% sell on. Agree on Ricketts and Tudgay though, were past it.

Jordan Turnbull: Southampton defender signs for Coventry City

My biggest frustration of last season was paying money for JT... awful player who had a mistake in him every match

Brylowes · Jul 20, 2017

TM was a seasoned professional CB, he'd played at a certain level for many years and always
Had the respect of fellow professionals and Managers alike.
Being his own position CB plays on his mind to much, if he needs a RB or a LM, or any other
Position you like, he's willing to compromise on A players strengths and weaknesses.
He wants to build a team in front of his CBs and they have to fit his profile "very closely"

Brylowes · Jul 20, 2017

Grendel said:
His slashed budget? So signing Turnbull on a fee and not resigning Martin was a sign of that? Resigning Ricketts and Tudgay? Embarrassing decisions really.

Or desperate decisions,,,,,By a demoralised man,,,,,,,,Chasing a Lost Cause.

CJ_covblaze · Jul 20, 2017

Releasing Martin and selling Vincelot so we could buy Turnbull is incompetence at the highest order. Turnbull took several months to adjust and even then only had a couple of half decent games. Martin wasn't brilliant but 9/10 times he did what was asked of him. Vincelot was probably our best player. It was a ludicrous decision and one that is partly to blame for our relegation.

Fergusons_Beard · Jul 20, 2017

Honestly don't understand what the obsession with Martin is.

Bloody useless when he was here and bloody useless since!

I saw him at Oxford and he couldn't even get a game for them in Div 4.

Lots of ifs, buts and maybes.

But then that's always the case with anyone who leaves our club.

Interestingly no one saying the same thing about Kyle Reid and he arguably the better player....

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Joy Division · Jul 20, 2017

Fergusons_Beard said:
Honestly don't understand what the obsession with Martin is.

Bloody useless when he was here and bloody useless since!

I saw him at Oxford and he couldn't even get a game for them in Div 4.

Lots of ifs, buts and maybes.

But then that's always the case with anyone who leaves our club.

Interestingly no one saying the same thing about Kyle Reid and he arguably the better player....

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Not sure everyone is saying he was brilliant, just why a manager would release a player that doesnt fit his style of play then replace him with a similar style defender yet pay a fee for him.

Liquid Gold · Jul 20, 2017

Giving Tudgay a contract after not playing him in favour of MAF for a season is where we should have seen it all start to come down.

Otis · Jul 20, 2017

Joy Division said:
Not sure everyone is saying he was brilliant, just why a manager would release a player that doesnt fit his style of play then replace him with a similar style defender yet pay a fee for him.

Exactly.

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