A question about our club badge.. (6 Viewers)

Alan Dugdales Moustache · May 3, 2018

If anyone can post up a picture of our proud badge, i'd be very grateful. I'm too thick to know how to do it.
Anyway, my question is quite straightforward.
There are two phoenix either side of the crest. The one on the left has a foot touching the ball (well it has on my flag ) while the one on the right is in flames.
Is the one on the right symbolic of the City of Coventry burning in WW2 , in which case the Phoenix on the left must be the one rising from the ashes, or is the phoenix on the right the one rising from the ashes as it is surrounded by flames ?
I need help. I feel I should know this.

MatthewWallis · May 3, 2018

The one on the right is the one rising from the ashes. On the coat of arms the left one is the black eagle of leofric

Silsden · May 3, 2018

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
If anyone can post up a picture of our proud badge, i'd be very grateful. I'm too thick to know how to do it.
Anyway, my question is quite straightforward.
There are two phoenix either side of the crest. The one on the left has a foot touching the ball (well it has on my flag ) while the one on the right is in flames.
Is the one on the right symbolic of the City of Coventry burning in WW2 , in which case the Phoenix on the left must be the one rising from the ashes, or is the phoenix on the right the one rising from the ashes as it is surrounded by flames ?
I need help. I feel I should know this.

There is one Phoenix on the right which represents Coventrys rise from the ashes after WW2, the Eagle on the left comes from the crest of Leofric, Lady Godivas husband

Alan Dugdales Moustache · May 3, 2018

..and I thought they were both the same bird. Dear oh dear.

Silsden · May 3, 2018

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
..and I thought they were both the same bird. Dear oh dear.

Don’t worry when we had to learn about Coventry’s cost of arms in school I confidently claimed it was all based on CCFC’s badge

Liquid Gold · May 3, 2018

You're right though. In the new one the phoenix is holding the ball with flames but the old one it was just hovering.

chiefdave · May 3, 2018

Liquid Gold said:
You're right though. In the new one the phoenix is holding the ball with flames but the old one it was just hovering.

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The one on the right represents Joy and Tim burning down the club.

Terry_dactyl · May 3, 2018

This might be a stupid question but why an elephant?

Adge · May 4, 2018

Terry_dactyl said:
This might be a stupid question but why an elephant?

Isn't it a show of strength?

clint van damme · May 4, 2018

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
..and I thought they were both the same bird. Dear oh dear.

I've used that excuse in an altogether much trickier situation.

Bumberclart · May 4, 2018

Adge said:
Isn't it a show of strength?

Correct, and the red cross on its back represents St George who allegedly visited Cov on his travels.

CJ_covblaze · May 4, 2018

Adge said:
Isn't it a show of strength?

Or they never forget. Maybe Sunderland should have one.

Joy Division · May 4, 2018

In 1956, a Division 3 match at Highfield Road between Coventry City and Aldershot saw a particularly bad challenge on young centre half George Curtis by Aldershot forward Harry Gibson leaving Curtis unable to continue the game and sidelined for a number of months. Six years later in 1962, a Coventry Evening Telegraph reporter noted Gibson received a noticeable chorus of boo's during another Division 3 fixture between the then 'Bantams' of Coventry City and Gibson's new club Brentford on his first return since 1956. The reporter, confused as to why this unknown aging forward was receiving such abuse later learned the the Coventry City supporters were indeed boo'ing him for his challenge made six years earlier. The press thereon noted the CCFC supporters for their long memories and the Elephant was adopted to their crest as a symbol of the fans passion shortly afterwards.

KG7 · May 4, 2018

The elephant is a symbol of Coventry from years gone by. I went on a tour of the city once when I was at school and they explained why there were elephants on a lot of the street bollards etc - can't remember the exact reason though.

Sky Blue Harry H · May 4, 2018

Terry_dactyl said:
This might be a stupid question but why an elephant?

Thought it might be something to do with CCFC being a circus at times - you might argue we should have a pair of clowns on the badge!

Hobo · May 4, 2018

Bumberclart said:
Correct, and the red cross on its back represents St George who allegedly visited Cov on his travels.

There are lots myths linking St George to Coventry especially around the Crusades. The Black Knight was the son of the Queen who owned Cheylesmore Manor. However it is highly unlikely the real St George ever set foot in England, a Greek (not born in Coventry) who served in the Roman Army and believed to have died in Palestine (not Coventry). Numerous country's have St George as a patron St.

Hobo · May 4, 2018

Adge said:
Isn't it a show of strength?

Yes strength and ambition. They are also the bearers of Kings and Queens so connected to royalty. Of course Coventry had royal connections through Cheylesmore Manor owned by the Queen (Isabella?) and her son was the Black Knight. Coventry used to be divided in two due to the landowners. The Priests half (church) and the Queens half (Cheylesmore Manor).

Irish Sky Blue · May 4, 2018

Hobo said:
There are lots myths linking St George to Coventry especially around the Crusades. The Black Knight was the son of the Queen who owned Chelysmore Manor. However it is highly unlikely the real St George ever set foot in England, a Greek (not born in Coventry) who served in the Roman Army and believed to have died in Palestine (not Coventry). Numerous country's have St George as a patron St.

Isn't Cauldon Castle in Cauldon Park supposed to be the birthplace of St George? As far as I know our crest is the only one in England to feature the cross of St George.

Hobo · May 4, 2018

Irish Sky Blue said:
Isn't Cauldon Castle in Cauldon Park supposed to be the birthplace of St George? As far as I know our crest is the only one in England to feature the cross of St George.

It was the home of a George, but most the St George stuff is mythical. Edward II chose St George as our patron St. His wife was Isabella who owned Chelesmore Manor which is where the Coventry connection comes in and Church propaganda.

He is also patron St of Georgia whose flag is predominantly the St George a cross also.

shmmeee · May 4, 2018

Isn’t part of it because we were a walled city? Maybe that’s the castle now I think about it.

Hobo · May 4, 2018

shmmeee said:
Isn’t part of it because we were a walled city? Maybe that’s the castle now I think about it.

Yes and a very strong fortified city. That is why the King ordered our walls to be destroyed after the civil war because of the cities Parlimentary allegiance. Hence '"sent to Coventry", the royalist prisoners of war were sent to Coventry and held within the walled city and the locals refused to speak to them.

Terry_dactyl · May 4, 2018

I’m bloody loving this. Nice one hobo.

oscillatewildly · May 4, 2018

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
..and I thought they were both the same bird. Dear oh dear.

This sounds like the punchline to a joke about dating twins.

Johhny Blue · May 4, 2018

Terry_dactyl said:
This might be a stupid question but why an elephant?

It's the elephant in the room

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