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Londonccfcfan

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  • Feb 24, 2024
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Think there's no option but 5 at the back now till next season.
 
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JoshCCFC1987

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  • Feb 24, 2024
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midfield is weak as it is and you want to expose it even more
 
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junglej13

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #3
Was saying the same. Tats makes the current formation work. Have no natural width now. Formation will need to change. Suspect we will be a pretty turgid watch until the end of the season.
 
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lord_garrincha

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #4
JoshCCFC1987 said:
midfield is weak as it is and you want to expose it even more
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Both formations have 2 deep & 1 advanced in midfield.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #5
I think people saying our season over is a bit over the top at this stage. However, if we go to five at the back it might as well be the case.
 
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Garlana86

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #6
Alot of these recent issues are because of sheaf being missing, he's the glue, we can put 6-7 at the back and it won't change much, our midfield are just not at the same level without sheaf, miss the protection and work rate. Similar happened when we lost Gus, Eccles and lati are no good enough unfortunately.
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #7
We don’t have the strikers to play 5 at the back. Neithe Wright or Simms look close to scoring when they play in a two.
 

Great_Expectations

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #8
Season isn’t over after one loss and another injury. For now we have cover to keep the formation as is, albeit I also think MR will go to 5 ATB.

Doesn’t solve the issue - whether it’s 4 or 5 ATB, it’s still 2 in CM and those roles are pivotal. Last night showed we can’t play with those 2 at CM (or Kelly) and expect them to create. Same happened at the start of the season, even with Sheaf. Sheaf/Torp/COH will offer a different dynamic, but the formation will restrict us if we want to play football from back to front.
 

Mild-Mannered Janitor

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #9
Londonccfcfan said:
Think there's no option but 5 at the back now till next season.
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If we don’t want to create another chance, we have options, the 5 one though has created nothing when we have played it this year
 

slowpoke

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #10
Our issue is the strikers as a threesome they ain’t good enough, first touch poor, Simms has improved but has a long way to go to establish him self as a first choice.
Robins will need to spend a lot of money in that department.
 
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RegTheDonk

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #11
Did we not abandon this because it wasn't working? Injury asside we've climbed the league since going with 4
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Feb 24, 2024
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Thomas, Binks, kitching
Mve.........................Bidwell

Eccles, torp
Ohare, Palmer

Simms/Wright
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #13
RegTheDonk said:
Did we not abandon this because it wasn't working? Injury asside we've climbed the league since going with 4
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We have no wingers now
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #14
Could we push mve forward into that Saka role?!

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stupot07

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  • Feb 24, 2024
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We've looked so poor and toothless when we've played 352 or 3421 this season. It worked previously two seasons because we had Gyokeres and Hamer. And also Allen making runs from midfield, when we played the box. Playing It with two upfront rarely worked and we got otherrun in midfield, and if you play 1 up and the box, you can't have both O'Hare and Palmer, as you need someone making those third man runs.

We should have another look at Tavares, and also MVE in the Saka role before we throw out the 4231 which has been the main reason for our up turn.


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Londonccfcfan

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  • Feb 24, 2024
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stupot07 said:
We've looked so poor and toothless when we've played 352 or 3421 this season. It worked previously two seasons because we had Gyokeres and Hamer. And also Allen making runs from midfield, when we played the box. Playing It with two upfront rarely worked and we got otherrun in midfield, and if you play 1 up and the box, you can't have both O'Hare and Palmer, as you need someone making those third man runs.

We should have another look at Tavares, and also MVE in the Saka role before we throw out the 4231 which has been the main reason for our up turn.


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We have no option to 4 at the back.

MVE is knackered needs a break and won't last either. We have no natural right hand side width wether it's Right back or right winger.
 

pusbccfc

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #17
fernandopartridge said:
Could we push mve forward into that Saka role?!

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Can we afford to do that now Lati and Eccles are our only midfielders who Robins will play?

Unless he finally gives Kelly a run out.
 
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SBT

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #18
Are we allowed to question the recruitment strategy now that the squad has no natural wingers in a year when 433 has been the only formation that wins us games? Or is that still “fan cope”?
 
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mmttww

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #19
Maidstone could be a chance to play that system with an almost first choice XI and get some rhythm. Feel like we'd be less toothless than earlier in the season with Wright and Simms in better form and with Torp as one of the deeper two. Something like...

Collins
MvE
Latibeaudiere
Thomas
Kitching
Bidwell
Kelly
Torp
Palmer
Simms
Godden

If Torp isn't fit to start, should have enough with Eccles in there vs. Maidstone. If neither Kelly or Torp are fit enough to start, then I'm out of ideas!
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 24, 2024
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Wouldn't be surprised to see us go 5 at the back again given we have no right winger now other than Tavares.

If we do want to stick with 4 at the back then when Sheaf returns we could go 433 rather than 4231 so we've got one less attacking player to field, though it means playing one of O'Hare/Palmer on the right.
 
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stupot07

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  • Feb 24, 2024
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Londonccfcfan said:
We have no option to 4 at the back.

MVE is knackered needs a break and won't last either. We have no natural right hand side width wether it's Right back or right winger.
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Seems like we're stuffed either way then. We're toothless with wingbacks and we don't have the players to play 4231.

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Londonccfcfan

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  • Feb 24, 2024
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PVA said:
Wouldn't be surprised to see us go 5 at the back again given we have no right winger now other than Tavares.

If we do want to stick with 4 at the back then when Sheaf returns we could go 433 rather than 4231 so we've got one less attacking player to field, though it means playing one of O'Hare/Palmer on the right.
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We can still play the box and use palmer/ohare top of the box.
 
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rob9872

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  • Feb 24, 2024
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Missing Sheaf massively. Called it at the time, can't believe some don't realise how important he is for us. Been crap in every game since he's been out.
 
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stupot07

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  • Feb 24, 2024
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Londonccfcfan said:
We can still play the box and use palmer/ohare top of the box.
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You won't have the runners going in behind. They both want to play as a 10. Allen did that so effectively, and Shipley did too in league one. Otherwise your striker gets isolated.

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Hincha

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #25
Think we may go back to 5 at the back but really don't think it will work. The FA Cup game against Sheffield Wednesday showed that.

Might see 4-4-1-1 (Robins 1st stint tactics in League 1 & a few times in our 1st season in Championship) to try and see us through. Aim to keep it tight and counter quickly.

Something like:

MvE Thomas Kitching Bidwell
Eccles Lati Torp Wright
O'Hare
Simms
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #26
SBT said:
Are we allowed to question the recruitment strategy now that the squad has no natural wingers in a year when 433 has been the only formation that wins us games? Or is that still “fan cope”?
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We recruited for a 352 which didn't work.
 
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stay_up_skyblues

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #27
I think it will happen. Probably unfair to write Haji and Simms off as a front two based on the first few games given they’ve both progressed since then, albeit only very recently for Ellis. It could work yet. I’d probably rather that than Tavares RW.

And we really need to sure up at the back as we’ve looked pretty shambolic in defence recently, the Preston result had been coming.

I’d like to try;


Collins

Bidwell

Binks
Kitching
Thomas

MVE

Eccles
Torp

COH

Simms
Wright

Failing that a box with Palmer in for one of the front two, but Wright is now the main goal threat (with COH) and it would be counterproductive to drop Simms as he starts to find a bit of form.
 

Blind-Faith

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #28
If we go back to 2 up top, arise Sir Matthew of Godden
 

skybluecam

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #29
going to 5 at the back is the end of our season as a competitive endeavour. It was dogshit to start and has been both times we’ve tried it since.
 
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #30
I think MR might well go to a back 5 for the West Brom match, although I would be surprised if he goes with the formation for every game. Either way missing Saka fundamentally changes the balance and therefore the formation of our team, as there is simply no like for like replacement. He has also been a big player for us, in terms of goals and assists, so someone is going to have to step up and take on his mantle if we are going to have any chance at making the play offs. Now would be a particularly good time for Simms to really prove his worth.
 
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tommy hutch legend

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #31
Londonccfcfan said:
Thomas, Binks, kitching
Mve.........................Bidwell

Eccles, torp
Ohare, Palmer

Simms/Wright
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Agree but would swap Kelly for palmer
 

ccfc1234

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  • Feb 24, 2024
  • #32
Londonccfcfan said:
Thomas, Binks, kitching
Mve.........................Bidwell

Eccles, torp
Ohare, Palmer

Simms/Wright
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I like this for the big games, should make us harder to score against and Palmer and Ohare can create for Simms or Wright.
If we are chasing a game we can go two up top with either a CM or ACM going off.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Feb 25, 2024
  • #33
Can anyone explain why we’d go to 5 at the back? We were in 20th place when we abandoned it because it doesn’t work.
 
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Feb 25, 2024
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skybluecam said:
Can anyone explain why we’d go to 5 at the back? We were in 20th place when we abandoned it because it doesn’t work.
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Because our available players leave us with little other option! Unfortunately, stumbling across playing Sakamoto in a more advanced role was the key to the change of system and our improved form this season. Most of our Summer signings were made with a view to playing 5 at the back, certainly our defensive signings (Dasilva, Collins, Van Ewijk, Binks, Latibeaudiere, Kitching). As it turned out Van Ewijk adapted well to playing RB with Saka in front of him, and as a pair Thomas and Kitching have done ok in a back 4, but now we are where we are.

Of course there might be some MR masterplan where we can still get by with a back 4, but my gut instinct is that he will mostly revert to a back 5. The only way I can see us continuing with a back 4 would be if he tried something completely out of the blue like playing Simms and Wright wide on the wings with O'Hare playing centrally, but deeper as a kind of false forward. However, to do that would probably involve some serious training ground practice to perfect, which I suspect we haven't got time for right now so far into the season.
 
Last edited: Feb 25, 2024
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Pricey1984

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  • Feb 25, 2024
  • #35
I'm skeptical about wingbacks with this squad. In the absence of wingers, could we look at maybe a diamond formation or a 4312?

Collins
MVE, Thomas, Kitching, Bidwell
Lati
Eccles Torp
Ohare
Wright Simms
 
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