Transfer Rumour 25/26 Summer Transfer Window (41 Viewers)

CCFCSteve · Wednesday at 1:28 PM

fernandopartridge said:
I wonder what the expectation was for Bassette when he signed. Where was he supposed to fit in? Similar to BTA really, in hindsight not bad players on the face of it but not obviously suited to a role in our favoured system.

Yeah, very strange. BTA is the weirder one for me as he’s hitting his peak years and yet I just couldn’t/can’t see him being a regular starter here. Did he really see that for himself ? Wonder what Robins told him ?

Bassette is still young, he should've just got his head down, worked hard on developing his game and made the most of his chances as and when they came along. Doesn’t sound like he’s had that attitude so far though. I’d still prefer loan only as I reckon with the right mindset he could end up being a really good player

Chicken Mcgraw · Wednesday at 1:28 PM

Balli001 said:
Option to buy is a lot different to obligation to buy. Option means they can make an offer, doesnt mean we have to accept it

Not quite. An obligation would mean they have to buy him if he meets certain conditions.

An option means they don’t have to buy him but if they offer the agreed fee, we have to accept

PVA · Wednesday at 1:29 PM

Balli001 said:
Option to buy is a lot different to obligation to buy. Option means they can make an offer, doesnt mean we have to accept it

If they make an offer then I think we do have to accept (at a set fee).

The option is on whether they make the offer or not.

RoboCCFC90 · Wednesday at 1:31 PM

skyblue025 said:
Is Doyle better than Kitch? If the answer is Yes (it is) we will be better off with him in the team. If the fee was 4-5 mil people wouldn’t be questioning it. The rumour is Man City want 10 mil, if we could do 5 mil and the rest in add ons it would be a good deal. Doyle looks to have a very high ceiling which could easily see us double our money in a couple of years.

Doyle's rating on FotMob for 24/25 was 7.09, Kitching's was 6.91.

Doyle played 40 games to Kitching's 27 in the Championship and contributed more goals (1 more) and assists (7).

mmttww · Wednesday at 1:34 PM

Did someone call out when the XIs were posted for a friendly that Binks and Bassette were missing, or did I imagine it?.

TomRad85 · Wednesday at 1:36 PM

Lampard definitely doing a bit of recycling in the next couple of weeks. No way he ever wanted to go again with the same squad.

TomRad85 · Wednesday at 1:37 PM

skyblue025 said:
Is Doyle better than Kitch? If the answer is Yes (it is) we will be better off with him in the team. If the fee was 4-5 mil people wouldn’t be questioning it. The rumour is Man City want 10 mil, if we could do 5 mil and the rest in add ons it would be a good deal. Doyle looks to have a very high ceiling which could easily see us double our money in a couple of years.

I don't mind Kitching, think he gets a hard time from a few on here and for the last couple of seasons we've always been better when he's in the team. But the answer to your question is still yes, Doyle is better.

Matt smith · Wednesday at 1:39 PM

TomRad85 said:
I don't mind Kitching, think he gets a hard time from a few on here and for the last couple of seasons we've always been better when he's in the team. But the answer to your question is still yes, Doyle is better.

I think Kitching is good but after striker he’s definitely the next upgrade in terms of the first 11, if this brau is decent

TomRad85 · Wednesday at 1:40 PM

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Matt smith said:
I think Kitching is good but after striker he’s definitely the next upgrade in terms of the first 11, if this brau is decent

Yes LB is a funny one. Hopefully Brau is the answer if not it's going to be another season of that being the obvious weakness.

jordan210 · Wednesday at 1:41 PM

A loan with a few recall options would be best for Norm.

He's young and hungry just needs game time.

Mucca Mad Boys · Wednesday at 1:41 PM

CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, very strange. BTA is the weirder one for me as he’s hitting his peak years and yet I just couldn’t/can’t see him being a regular starter here. Did he really see that for himself ? Wonder what Robins told him ?

Bassette is still young, he should've just got his head down, worked hard on developing his game and made the most of his chances as and when they came along. Doesn’t sound like he’s had that attitude so far though. I’d still prefer loan only as I reckon with the right mindset he could end up being a really good player

Having 4 strikers for 1 starting position must’ve caused a lot of problems last year. None of them got a good run of games and either got bit part minutes, played out of position or both.

Pretty sure all 4 strikers believe they should all be starting in their preferred position. Signing Bassette after BTA was strange because it was a multi-million pound signing without a specific need to fill.

A loan for Bassette makes sense to me because unlike Simms and BTA, he has no track record in this league, he’s soundly a 4th choice option.

Matt smith · Wednesday at 1:41 PM

TomRad85 said:
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Yes LB is a funny one. Hopefully Brau is the answer if not it's going to be another season of that being the obvious weakness.

It’s been that way for the last couple of seasons

I hope and think he will be good

But it does slightly bother me how we don’t ever considerably invest in that position

mark82 · Wednesday at 1:45 PM

Chicken Mcgraw said:
I don’t this he is ITK but has some sort of connection up north. Can’t remember if it’s one of the Sheffield clubs or something.

Rotherham.

Mucca Mad Boys · Wednesday at 1:49 PM

Matt smith said:
I think Kitching is good but after striker he’s definitely the next upgrade in terms of the first 11, if this brau is decent

Not Sakamoto? His FotMob match rating was 6.80 over 44 games. His goal tally of 4 outperformed his xG of 3.11 (or something like that). Bobby Thomas’ xG was 4.78 for reference and had about 15 more shots too.

When you’ve got 10+ wingers from last season on 12-15+ goal contributions and we have none, it’s a problem. When we only have 2 goal scorers in Wright and Rudoni.

I’d say the same about EMC, but his same size was a lot smaller and his underlying numbers suggest he could be a 15 goal/assist player over 40+ games.

Matt smith · Wednesday at 1:52 PM

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Not Sakamoto? His FotMob match rating was 6.80 over 44 games. His goal tally of 4 outperformed his xG of 3.11 (or something like that). Bobby Thomas’ xG was 4.78 for reference and had about 15 more shots too.

When you’ve got 10+ wingers from last season on 12-15+ goal contributions and we have none, it’s a problem. When we only have 2 goal scorers in Wright and Rudoni.

I’d say the same about EMC, but his same size was a lot smaller and his underlying numbers suggest he could be a 15 goal/assist player over 40+ games.

I like Sakamoto, do I think we need competition in that area with the potential to upgrade? Yes

but I just think it’s more imperative we upgrade at lcb

to answer EMC, I think we’ll sign a number 9 and I’d then have haji on the left

Ccfcisparks · Wednesday at 1:52 PM

but i thought it was unlikely we would replace a lot of the squad before the start of the season

SleepyGinger · Wednesday at 1:53 PM

Ben Mee anyone? Still a free agent, left footed CB with loads of experience

Matt smith · Wednesday at 1:53 PM

@Mucca Mad Boys don’t you think a new number 9 would thrive from the delivery from Sakamoto like Rudoni does?

Matt smith · Wednesday at 1:54 PM

EMC needs a big season that’s for sure if he wants to be our frontline left winger

Lamps · Wednesday at 1:58 PM

shmmeee said:
The gap from 4th to 5th is probably the biggest in the division and definitely larger than 5th to 12th IMO. If you were clustering us we aren’t with the top four, we’re with those below us like Norwich Middlesbrough etc.

Last season Sunderland were 4th. They may have got promotion through the playoffs but are you seriously saying they were lots better than us?

As you know my prediction for this season is 2nd to 4th. Have we improved much? What position do you see us finishing in as you keep mentioning a mid table side?

Balli001 · Wednesday at 1:59 PM

jordan210 said:
A loan with a few recall options would be best for Norm.

He's young and hungry just needs game time.

The only recall option available is in January. Nothing else is possible

fernandopartridge · Wednesday at 2:00 PM

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Not Sakamoto? His FotMob match rating was 6.80 over 44 games. His goal tally of 4 outperformed his xG of 3.11 (or something like that). Bobby Thomas’ xG was 4.78 for reference and had about 15 more shots too.

When you’ve got 10+ wingers from last season on 12-15+ goal contributions and we have none, it’s a problem. When we only have 2 goal scorers in Wright and Rudoni.

I’d say the same about EMC, but his same size was a lot smaller and his underlying numbers suggest he could be a 15 goal/assist player over 40+ games.

I was going to post that RW is a bigger priority than CB for me. Sakamoto a decent player but not effective enough consistently enough, ignoring the recency bias.

Balli001 · Wednesday at 2:00 PM

mmttww said:
Did someone call out when the XIs were posted for a friendly that Binks and Bassette were missing, or did I imagine it?.

Yes the Monaco one i think.

theskyisthelimit · Wednesday at 2:00 PM

Balli001 said:
Option to buy is a lot different to obligation to buy. Option means they can make an offer, doesnt mean we have to accept it

Does option not mean they get the choice to buy or not.....obligation means they have to buy him. If it's how you say, then that's just any normal transfer

fernandopartridge · Wednesday at 2:01 PM

Matt smith said:
@Mucca Mad Boys don’t you think a new number 9 would thrive from the delivery from Sakamoto like Rudoni does?

Sakamoto needs to be a much bigger goal threat himself

skybluecam · Wednesday at 2:01 PM

Balli001 said:
Option to buy is a lot different to obligation to buy. Option means they can make an offer, doesnt mean we have to accept it

Option: The club can choose if they want to buy him or not for a pre agreed fee

Obligation: The club must buy him for a pre agreed fee

We get no say either way.

Balli001 · Wednesday at 2:01 PM

theskyisthelimit said:
Does option not mean they get the choice to buy or not.....obligation means they have to buy him. If it's how you say, then that's just any normal transfer

Obligation means they have to buy yes. Option means they can choose to purchase him at an agreed price but they dont have to act on it

Balli001 · Wednesday at 2:02 PM

skybluecam said:
Option: The club can choose if they want to buy him or not for a pre agreed fee

Obligation: The club must buy him for a pre agreed fee

We get no say either way.

Yes but its still difference. They could decide, like me, that he isnt very good and not buy him

Sky Blue Goblin · Wednesday at 2:03 PM

SleepyGinger said:
Ben Mee anyone? Still a free agent, left footed CB with loads of experience

Would worry if his legs have gone to be able to play our high line

Londonccfcfan · Wednesday at 2:09 PM

He was a monster of a centre back few seasons ago. If hes 80% of the player he was he can do a job for 1 season. But again if we are desperate. Good experienced head.

SleepyGinger said:
Ben Mee anyone? Still a free agent, left footed CB with loads of experience

KenilworthSkyBlue · Wednesday at 2:10 PM

Matt smith said:
EMC needs a big season that’s for sure if he wants to be our frontline left winger

He'll almost certainly be the preferred option on the left. Obviously along with being a goal threat, he wants his wingers to be a creative outlet by delivering balls into the box and creating chances.

I've mentioned this previously, it's not that Haji necessarily doesn't do that, but as a natural striker he will often look for the goalscoring opportunity.

mmttww · Wednesday at 2:11 PM

Balli001 said:
Yes the Monaco one i think.

OK. In the post-ITK world, similar omissions tonight and Sat might be our only clues re: outgoings.

Londonccfcfan · Wednesday at 2:12 PM

Would it not be stupidity to come back to a club on loan after you was there 2/3 seasons ago. Albeit we are slightly higher profile now.

So can only see a move if its obligation to buy if promoted.

TomRad85 · Wednesday at 2:13 PM

To throw in a positive, isn't it nice that our middling/squad players hold some decent value. I know we've had a couple of players worth a lot before but generally the bulk of the squad for many years was worth the grand sum of fuck all.

Mucca Mad Boys · Wednesday at 2:13 PM

Matt smith said:
I like Sakamoto, do I think we need competition in that area with the potential to upgrade? Yes

but I just think it’s more imperative we upgrade at lcb

to answer EMC, I think we’ll sign a number 9 and I’d then have haji on the left

fernandopartridge said:
I was going to post that RW is a bigger priority than CB for me. Sakamoto a decent player but not effective enough consistently enough, ignoring the recency bias.

If we want to improve on 5th place, we need more than 20 goal contributions in a season from the wing.

This debate has been had out, but it’s pretty clear that Haji wants to play striker and that’s also where Lampard wants to him. Haji is a blue chip striker in this league and his output for us is better when he’s playing upfront.

I don’t want anyone to get things twisted, Sakamoto is a good player but my opinion is that he’d make more of an impact as a game changer from the bench. The facts speak for themselves, Thomas is bigger goal threat than Sakamoto. EMC’s numbers in a fraction of the minutes are encouraging and suggest he could actually be a quality championship winger.

Overall, we absolutely need 3-4 wingers who can contribute and it’s a pretty low hanging fruit to find a winger capable of improving on 4 goals for the season. Outside of the starting unit… we have Rapha. That isn’t enough to get us through a 50 game season.

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