I don't understand the concern still. Again i'm not advocating the signing of O'Nien but we might want a player who is versatile, can cover CB and can occasionally cover a few minutes for a Matt Grimes who plays almost always but may benefit from 10 mins off here and there, as well as being someone who has already experienced promotion. We all want a 'marquee' signing and we may well still get one, but we have no idea what else Frank is asking for.Concerned that we'd be using a squad place and wages that could be used on someone that may see more of the pitch.
Let's do it and go and sign another LB
A better version of O9, sure. I’d certainly welcome some more established players into this squad.I don't understand the concern still. Again i'm not advocating the signing of O'Nien but we might want a player who is versatile, can cover CB and can occasionally cover a few minutes for a Matt Grimes who plays almost always but may benefit from 10 mins off here and there, as well as being someone who has already experienced promotion. We all want a 'marquee' signing and we may well still get one, but we have no idea what else Frank is asking for.
That's the only justification for O'Nien I can see, if he is being eyed as someone who can come on for Grimes to see out games and manage his minutes, while also being able to play CB.I don't understand the concern still. Again i'm not advocating the signing of O'Nien but we might want a player who is versatile, can cover CB and can occasionally cover a few minutes for a Matt Grimes who plays almost always but may benefit from 10 mins off here and there, as well as being someone who has already experienced promotion. We all want a 'marquee' signing and we may well still get one, but we have no idea what else Frank is asking for.
On Eccles, without wanting to start another run of Sheaf criticism, Eccles has benefited from no longer being his junior partner. He was always better offensively than Sheaf, but it used to look like Sheaf was the one allowed to "step out" more. Especially under Robins.
You'd think it would mean Lati would move on, which suits me.That's the only justification for O'Nien I can see, if he is being eyed as someone who can come on for Grimes to see out games and managing his minutes, while also being able to play CB.
The problem we have is when our players were seen to be poor before the season started there wasn't much expectation. But once it was noticed we had a good 1st team and the reserve players showed they weren't as bad as many made out we were suddenly world beaters and we should win each game by 3 or more goals. The middle ground is totally missing by many.Our strikers as a trio have something like 27 goals in the league and its early Jan thats crazy.
Yet we have slaughtered them at times. No one can touch that figure in this league.
I recall, back before he’d broken into the first team, Robins saying that Eccles had the ability to be a top player (can’t recall the exact phrase he used, but the meaning was along these lines), but that he needed to develop more self-confidence/self-belief to enable him to fully utilise his assets.My own opinion is that Lampard telling Eccles he can be better suited as an advanced midfielder has made him think about his game differently and presumably he’s been coached to play in that role.
I’ve been sceptical of Eccles in the past but it was always apparent he did have moments of great execution of passes/crosses so it’s not really a stretch for Lampard to take that and repurpose that to his shooting. I’m pretty sure his goals previously were ‘power shots’ but his goals lately had more finesse in them. That suggests he’s been coached to do that.
Viveash was also a big fan of his too and he’s coached elite talent so knows what he’s talking about.I recall, back before he’d broken into the first team, Robins saying that Eccles had the ability to be a top player (can’t recall the exact phrase he used, but the meaning was along these lines), but that he needed to develop more self-confidence/self-belief to enable him to fully utilise his assets.
I can see why it makes sense for O’Nein from a playing time perspective, I just don’t see why it makes sense for us.He doesn’t, he would get more minutes here than he will at the Mackems though.
Viveash was also a big fan of his too and he’s coached elite talent so knows what he’s talking about.
When the facts change, I’m happy to change my opinion and frankly, when Eccles starts scoring and assisting goals, he becomes an 8/10 a week player rather than a 7/10 which is how I described him previously. He’s always been solid but never felt he was a game changer.
I still don’t think he’s there just yet, but there’s a lot of promising glimpses and with a consistent run in the team, you’d hope he kicks on.
It was a great goal, has he had run where he’s strung together top performances and goal contributions? Not yet because he’s not been 100%.Poor bloke scored in the last game.
On my hands and knees, begging Doug and Dean to snipe this deal from the Yanks.
Viveash was also a big fan of his too and he’s coached elite talent so knows what he’s talking about.
When the facts change, I’m happy to change my opinion and frankly, when Eccles starts scoring and assisting goals, he becomes an 8/10 a week player rather than a 7/10 which is how I described him previously. He’s always been solid but never felt he was a game changer.
I still don’t think he’s there just yet, but there’s a lot of promising glimpses and with a consistent run in the team, you’d hope he kicks on.
Like i said yesterday its a tough call at this stage. We need players to get us over the line in this division before we can attract the premier league level players we would need down the line.It's very simple to me. If O'Nien is a target of ours we're not aiming as high as I thought we would.
Sorry but not a fucking chance he is a target in my mind, regardless of what ITKs suggestIt's very simple to me. If O'Nien is a target of ours we're not aiming as high as I thought we would.
Be awkward if he signs now wouldnt it....Sorry but not a fucking chance he is a target in my mind, regardless of what ITKs suggest
It's very simple to me. If O'Nien is a target of ours we're not aiming as high as I thought we would.
I just don’t think he is such a player.Like i said yesterday its a tough call at this stage. We need players to get us over the line in this division before we can attract the premier league level players we would need down the line.
I don't have the slightest problem with loans. My problem is lower quality loans.This is a difficult window to get players in and even more so for us.
Clubs don’t want to lose their best players unless a real premium is paid and we don’t want to offer long term contracts unless we think they can step up IF we get promoted.
Loan signings was always likely to be the approach and was for other clubs in similar positions to us over the last few seasons ….
It would. In which case what @Lamps said would be painfully true.Be awkward if he signs now wouldnt it....
I don't have the slightest problem with loans. My problem is lower quality loans.
You can sometimes see in his body language that doubt - I don't think it necessarily helps if there is a big groan when he tries something, other than a safe pass, which doesn't come off.I recall, back before he’d broken into the first team, Robins saying that Eccles had the ability to be a top player (can’t recall the exact phrase he used, but the meaning was along these lines), but that he needed to develop more self-confidence/self-belief to enable him to fully utilise his assets.
Didn't we have Quinn and Huckerby on loan initially back in the day ?Very difficult to get better players than we have already on loan …. You’re basically talking about persuading premier league clubs / players to loan you a player they think won’t get many minutes if any for them …. Hence the 2 young loan’s we are looking at …. Certainly no guarantee either will be better then the wide players we have but they will give us options from the bench
Can you see the next position that needs strengthening. I can.
LB For sure.Can you see the next position that needs strengthening. I can.
It’s important to note that even Gyokeres had a 10 game goalless streak in 22/23 and even Piroe last season only score 4 goals in the final 12 games - all of whom against Stoke after a 9 game drought in a free scoring Leeds side.The problem we have is when our players were seen to be poor before the season started there wasn't much expectation. But once it was noticed we had a good 1st team and the reserve players showed they weren't as bad as many made out we were suddenly world beaters and we should win each game by 3 or more goals. The middle ground is totally missing by many.
We have a very good side for the Championship. We're not world beaters. We don't have the right to keep winning as we did. But we're certainly good enough for a top 2 finish.
I don't understand the concern still. Again i'm not advocating the signing of O'Nien but we might want a player who is versatile, can cover CB and can occasionally cover a few minutes for a Matt Grimes who plays almost always but may benefit from 10 mins off here and there, as well as being someone who has already experienced promotion. We all want a 'marquee' signing and we may well still get one, but we have no idea what else Frank is asking for.
You can sign players with leadership qualities who are better footballers than O9. You frankly may as well resign Michael Doyle if you just want a scrapper.We’ve also started to get bullied a bit recently and with fuck all protection /assistance coming from refs, I wonder if Lampard will try to address this with O’Nien or someone similar. All well and good everyone looking at forwards, attacking midfielders, nice footballers etc but apart from Kitching and Thomas we’re pretty soft/nice guys as a team.
You can sometimes see in his body language that doubt - I don't think it necessarily helps if there is a big groan when he tries something, other than a safe pass, which doesn't come off.
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