I really like Sheaf and have always rated him but some of the estimations of his value are way off in my view. It's by no means clear that he could regularly make an impact in the Premier League.I don't necessarily disagree but it is very dependent on whether the right offer is in the table and I'm not sure I see anyone offering what we'd want for him. He's not flashy like Vik and Gus and the market might well be dead this summer. What do we think we could get for him? If it's less than £5m it's probably not worth it.
And they will all go for larger fees than we paid for them, and we will aim to reinvest all of that wisely. We will go for it when the model has given us a squad ready for promotion.At some point you have to go for it though. Next summer I wouldn't be surprised to see Simms, Milan, Wright etc leave if we don't get promoted.
I'd like to think he could (and will with us) but he is looking top end championship/bottom end prem. Does he fancy a move to Sheffied?I really like Sheaf and have always rated him but some of the estimations of his value are way off in my view. It's by no means clear that he could regularly make an impact in the Premier League.
100% agree, I love sheaf think he’s great but if vik doesn’t go we sell this window to have the opportunity to invest another 12/15 on 4 players of real qualityThat is exactly what everyone was saying about Hamer and I am sure Robins & Doug felt that and discussed it too. The reality is, we don't have the budget to throw away a selling opportunity that can level up the rest of the squad. We would use the money to sign maybe 3-5 other really high quality talents on 4+ year deals who will also make us a profit. That is the model. This is the way.
This is a squad ready for promotion.And they will all go for larger fees than we paid for them, and we will aim to reinvest all of that wisely. We will go for it when the model has given us a squad ready for promotion.
Do I need to say model again?
We won’t let him go for anything under 10 imoI don't necessarily disagree but it is very dependent on whether the right offer is in the table and I'm not sure I see anyone offering what we'd want for him. He's not flashy like Vik and Gus and the market might well be dead this summer. What do we think we could get for him? If it's less than £5m it's probably not worth it.
Respectfully disagree - we're not even in the playoffs with this squad. The squad needs strength and depth which can only be funded by player sales & increasing revenue under current ownership*.This is a squad ready for promotion.
Sell Wright/Simms/Milan and we're back to the square one of last summer.
Our best 11 is ready (as proved with the run of form when they were all fit).Respectfully disagree - we're not even in the playoffs with this squad. The squad needs strength and depth which can only be funded by player sales & increasing revenue under current ownership*.
* I would also add that's exactly how I believe it should be and I definitely don't want an owner that spaffs cash and saddles us with more debt.
We've been quite fortuitous with injuries so I'd argue the quality & depth needs another season of iteration. I don't know that we will fund that without player sales. Not sure I agree 5M is all that is needed. I would guess about 20M - and a Sheaf sale could go some way to closing the gap.Our best 11 is ready (as proved with the run of form when they were all fit).
With EMC coming in we're maybe one starter and 3-4 depth options away from what should be a solid top 6 squad. It shouldn't take more than £5m in transfer spending to get those players in. Sell Sheaf and that's out the window because we have to replace our most important player.
Amazed we’d be looking to spend big on him when he’s deemed as back up by a fair few on here these days.Can't see us not spending big on an O'Hare replacement. Then really need a RW, ST and CB just to ensure we don't fade away like this season.
The Kyprianou rumours are interesting is he the Sheaf replacement or brought in as squad cover with Kelly going?
I'd say minimum of five at least to come in and that's before any shock outgoings.
Most would be coming is a squad cover/challenge the starting 11.
That doesn’t make any sense. We’ve had a poor run in with most of the first 11 fit. We’ve leaked goals all over the place with an unimpressive defence and midfield have been uninspiring.Our best 11 is ready (as proved with the run of form when they were all fit).
With EMC coming in we're maybe one starter and 3-4 depth options away from what should be a solid top 6 squad. It shouldn't take more than £5m in transfer spending to get those players in. Sell Sheaf and that's out the window because we have to replace our most important player.
Sakamoto's injury has cost us big time because we have no backup, so Milan gets dragged up there and suddenly we're two players down on our best 11. Wright doesn't have any backup either and has looked leggy at times.That doesn’t make any sense. We’ve had a poor run in with most of the first 11 fit. We’ve leaked goals all over the place with an unimpressive defence and midfield have been uninspiring.
There’s quite a lot of work to do.
Yes to all of those.Seeing as we like pinching other clubs foundations (ala Barnsley) How about Kyprianou, EMC (already signed) and Poku to cover RW.
Then Rudoni from Huddersfield if they go down.
And you think those problems can be solved in 5M. Those players alone combined cost us what, 12M?Sakamoto's injury has cost us big time because we have no backup, so Milan gets dragged up there and suddenly we're two players down on our best 11. Wright doesn't have any backup either and has looked leggy at times.
Between the switch to 433 (Stoke, 11 Nov) and Sakamoto's injury (Preston, 23 Feb) our only losses were Ipswich away, Norwich away (red card) and Preston. We were in solid top 6 form. There isn't a lot of work to do.
Collins/WilsonAnd you think those problems can be solved in 5M. Those players alone combined cost us what, 12M?
I think you agree the squad isn't good enough to win over a season, but you're underestimating the likely cost and denying where that money has to come from. Unless you believe Doug could and should fund an enormous loss.
I honestly think we'd want similar money as we got for Hamer. Sheaf has put in good performances against prem teams. I just don't know that the market is there.We won’t let him go for anything under 10 imo
Sakamoto is a decent player but you really think he is that absolutely central to our overall performance? I mean MR didn’t even play him a reasonable chunk of the season.Sakamoto's injury has cost us big time because we have no backup, so Milan gets dragged up there and suddenly we're two players down on our best 11. Wright doesn't have any backup either and has looked leggy at times.
Between the switch to 433 (Stoke, 11 Nov) and Sakamoto's injury (Preston, 23 Feb) our only losses were Ipswich away, Norwich away (red card) and Preston. We were in solid top 6 form. There isn't a lot of work to do.
As I said, it's not Sakamoto himself it's the lack of replacement and what that does to the rest of the team.Sakamoto is a decent player but you really think he is that absolutely central to our overall performance? I mean MR didn’t even play him a reasonable chunk of the season.
The defence is nowhere near ready and midfield is plodding, even more so with COH gone. We will finish mid table.
4 new first 11 needed (GK, CB, CM and no 10). A lot to be done to be comfortable top 6.
‘Our defence is absolutely fine’.As I said, it's not Sakamoto himself it's the lack of replacement and what that does to the rest of the team.
Our defence is absolutely fine, we've conceded less than almost everyone around us bar West Brom.
We don't need a new starting CB or CM. And Collins, while not perfect, should not be a priority to replace.
Take a look at the league table. 3/7 teams above us have conceded more. You are being swayed by recency bias from our tired end of season performances.‘Our defence is absolutely fine’.
‘a new GK should not be a priority’.
I’ll leave it there.
Pointless conversation.
I guess measuring progress depends on what you feel is important.
On the one hand, we have how much have we followed the model and not been diverted from the long term project. On the other you have, have we improved our league position.
I am more in the second camp whilst accepting the model should be the general approach. However, there are real dangers of decline if we are not pragmatic.
If we keep selling players once they become good and replacing them with inexperienced prospects who will need time to develop it's difficult to see progress. In that case will we keep or grow our fanbase? I am not convinced.
I feel frustrated that we haven't maintained a play off push because we didn’t have a big enough squad because the model wouldn't allow it. A couple of seasons like this and the decline could become irreversible in my view.
You talk about conceding goals as if defence isn't a team effort. Yes, there's been individual defensive errors and there's been times our midfield has been bypassed out wide and and down the middle and we've failed to defend from the front.‘Our defence is absolutely fine’.
‘a new GK should not be a priority’.
I’ll leave it there.
Pointless conversation.
This is how you end up doing a Derby/Reading instead of a Brentford/Brighton.This is a squad ready for promotion.
Sell Wright/Simms/Milan and we're back to the square one of last summer.
Brentford got £30m for Watkins, I'd be driving Sheaf somewhere myself for that much.This is how you end up doing a Derby/Reading instead of a Brentford/Brighton.
I'm sure Brentford fans were disappointed to see Watkins sold because they had a squad "ready for promotion" but they made a good profit, reinvested it in Toney and other top quality players and made the jump.
This is a squad ready for promotion.
Sell Wright/Simms/Milan and we're back to the square one of last summer.
I think it's pretty clear our strategy is fairly even if you look at how many domestic players we've signed.People go back to Peterborough to sign this one or that but I worry with this strategy as they tend to get top value for their players and if they are promoted might not want to sell.
I would be much happier seeing us hunting the Scandinavian market alongside the Dutch and Belgian markets as there may be better value there.
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