DazzleTommyDazzle
Well-Known Member
But that's the whole issue - it hasn't.
How much revenue have they lost to get to this position?
As we oldies might say - lose a pound to save a shilling....
If everything they've done is all part of a negotiation strategy to reduce the rent, it's worked very well! They've bargained ACL down from £1.2m to zero if the stories are to be believed.
The problem is though in doing so, should that not have benefited us in some way ?
No I'm saying there isn't an excuse for party politics in this. I was putting forward the right wing view as to why, in this instance, the left wing council is right to stand up to them.
I'm sure there are some idiots like Pete Chambers who have some sort of agenda, but this is a cross party thing. The Conservatives haven't once criticised the councils handling of this to my knowledge.
You are quite right that it should be a cross party thing, I don't believe it is though.
You are quite right that it should be a cross party thing, I don't believe it is though.
Yes it was, but the debate and vote were held in private. When the councillors came into the main room after the vote all members appeared very happy, and there were lots of allusions in subsequent debates of how united all the parties were that day.Wasn't it a unanimous council vote?
Mine isn't. I'm a right wing capitalist. Part of that means that if you screw up in business that's your luck out. You don't go and try and sponge off a local authority and peoples hard earned tax revenue to pay for the mistakes you made.
But that's the whole issue - it hasn't.
How much revenue have they lost to get to this position?
As we oldies might say - lose a pound to save a shilling....
Does that include ACL?
sell the ricoh to the club.
I don't know what the losses are? What are the gains? They're out of 40 year deal at £1.2m p/a.
Have ACL been GIVEN money by the local authority?
And there out of our city after 125 years! that is the loss you don't care about Shame on you.
No, but if you're such a fan of private enterprise they can surely raise money privately? Or are you the equivalent of a champagne socialist i.e. an orange squash capitalist?
What do you think of the government bail out of HBOS and RBS?
Does that include ACL?
His conclusion that that Sisu/Otium are going to use the JR to seek punitive damages from CCC/ACL for loss of income seems to based on comments made on here.
This article will then be used to back up comments on here that Sisu/Otium are using the JR to seek damages from loss of income.
So it goes round and round, supposition and hearsay repeated enough becomes truth for some, and nobody gets any closer to knowing any reality.
But if its cheaper to get it through the council then what's the point? That's the trouble with politics, too much ideology and not enough common sense. If ACL as an independent business can pay a rate of 2% to the council, or 4% to YB, then they would have to be stupid to not get the money off the council.
In principle I didn't agree with the bail out, however in the real world sometimes you have to look at what is the best outcome for all concerned, not what is ideologically right. I certainly don't agree with bailed out banks paying their bosses huge bonuses with public funds.
No, but if you're such a fan of private enterprise they can surely raise money privately? Or are you the equivalent of a champagne socialist i.e. an orange squash capitalist?
What do you think of the government bail out of HBOS and RBS?
About what though?
If the club won't play at the Ricoh for free I fail to see what more CCC or acl can do.
Haven't both sides said that they don't want to conduct negotiations in public?
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