1st game of the season 2015/16- now (1 Viewer)

ms639 · Jul 29, 2016

So I just had a look to remind me of the starting line up for the first game of the season last year:

GK- Burge
RB- Willis
CB- Ricketts
CB- Johnson
LB- Stokes
CM- Vincelot
CM- Fleck
RM- O'brien
LM- Lameiras
CAM- Maddison
ST- Armstrong

Now admittedly with that squad at the time I wasn't hugely optimistic, a lot of new and untested players however there is not one area in that squad except perhaps RCC between the sticks where we have made any improvement. People can keep spouting this nonsense that we are too pessimistic and there should be some trust that things will come good. There is zero evidence to support this, our squad is full of kids and dross, best players have left and a 15th place finish would be an achievement with the current crop. Considering the players that have left (bold, obviously everyone is unsure on Reda's situation) only a miracle in the next couple of weeks in terms of wheeling a dealing is going to deliver any hope. Very difficult to be optimistic!

bawtryneal · Jul 29, 2016

But it's not the first day of the season yet and more players will be signed in the next week ( and beyond), so suggest you re-post next Saturday night
Also, as you said you were not optimistic and we beat the eventual league winners 2-0, so stop being pessimistic and chill out and wait and see what develops.

ms639 · Jul 29, 2016

bawtryneal said:
But it's not the first day of the season yet and more players will be signed in the next week ( and beyond), so suggest you repost next Saturday night
Also, as you said you were not optimistic and we beat the eventual league winners 2-0, so stop being pessimistic and chill out and wait and see what develops.

Would love to be proved completely wrong but we weren't selling our better players for 50k to rivals last year 3 weeks before the start of the season

skyblueelephant76 · Jul 29, 2016

I would add Vlad, Jones and Reid to RCC as all being improvements on the starting 11 last season.

bawtryneal · Jul 29, 2016

McCann and Reid are better quality than O'Brien and Lameries for a start.

bawtryneal · Jul 29, 2016

Vlad is better than Fleck on evidence so far, plus Jones down the right.

ms639 · Jul 29, 2016

bawtryneal said:
McCann and Reid are better quality than O'Brien and Lameries for a start.

Reid who at the age of 28 has played for 12 different clubs? Seems like a highly prized asset

ms639 · Jul 29, 2016

bawtryneal said:
Vlad is better than Fleck on evidence so far, plus Jones down the right.

Haha don't make me laugh! Better than Fleck the player who was without doubt our player of the year and was rightly awarded so?

Deleted member 2477 · Jul 29, 2016

We still need at least five good players before the season starts to have a squad capable of any challenge.

The defence at this time needs two good CBs a RB, another CM and a striker

skybluesam66 · Jul 29, 2016

johnson, maddison o brien - how many games did they play between them all season 33 appearances including subs
Vincelot Fleck versus Gadzhev and new Mccann - we are no worse

We all know we desperately need
Centre back/ forward/ full backs

but i dont suspect we have the final line up yet
there will be loans coming in

vow · Jul 29, 2016

ms639 said:
Reid who at the age of 28 has played for 12 different clubs? Seems like a highly prized asset

You mean a bit like Leon Clarke, who is 31?
Can't believe you're putting Reid down already? Give him a chance, ffs

CCFC_Charlie · Jul 29, 2016

Charles-Cook
Rose
Willis
Wilson
Ricketts
Haynes
McCann
Gadzhev
Jones
Sordell
Reid

This doesn't look too bad for the Swindon game

ms639 · Jul 29, 2016

vow said:
You mean a bit like Leon Clarke, who is 31?
Can't believe you're putting Reid down already? Give him a chance, ffs

I'm not on the Clarke bandwagon either, a journeyman striker who has produced 2 good seasons in his whole career, fortunately one of them happened to be at us, based on analysis though it clearly isn't the norm for him

skyblueelephant76 · Jul 29, 2016

ms639 said:
Reid who at the age of 28 has played for 12 different clubs? Seems like a highly prized asset

Reid who was a regular in a side that reached the play-offs last year...

bawtryneal · Jul 29, 2016

ms639 said:
Haha don't make me laugh! Better than Fleck the player who was
without doubt our player of the year and was rightly awarded so?

Have you been to any of the friendlies. I will take any bet you choose that Vlad will be one of the League 1 players of the season this year. He was man of the match against Norwich and that was not just my opinion but the opinion of about 10 Norwich fans I went to the game with.

stupot07 · Jul 29, 2016

ms639 said:
I'm not on the Clarke bandwagon either, a journeyman striker who has produced 2 good seasons in his whole career, fortunately one of them happened to be at us, based on analysis though it clearly isn't the norm for him

Hahahahahahahahaha

He has a proven record of scoring in league one

Oldham 3 in 5
Southend 8 in 16
Chesterfield 9 in 14
Didn't have a good time at Charlton
Chesterfield 11 in 15
Cov 23 in 34
Didn't have a good time at wolves but was brought in as back up to dicko
Bury 15 in 32

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vow · Jul 29, 2016

ms639 said:
I'm not on the Clarke bandwagon either, a journeyman striker who has produced 2 good seasons in his whole career, fortunately one of them happened to be at us, based on analysis though it clearly isn't the norm for him

I'm not on any Clarke bandwagon either, but he's had 3 good seasons since 2012 inc. his loan at Stockport too, all from the age of 27-28.
If he's a journeyman, he's a sort after one at that and doesn't mean he's shit either, same as Reid.

bawtryneal · Jul 29, 2016

ms639 said:
Reid who at the age of 28 has played for 12 different clubs? Seems like a highly prized asset

ms639 said:
I'm not on the Clarke bandwagon either, a journeyman striker who has produced 2 good seasons in his whole career, fortunately one of them happened to be at us, based on analysis though it clearly isn't the norm for him

Clarke is irrelevant to this post as he plays for SUFC not CCFC.

Deleted member 2477 · Jul 29, 2016

Its only a couple of weeks ago everyone was singing his goal scoring praises and getting all excited of the thought he was signing for us as a proven goal scorer capable of 20 goals a season.
Now hes gone to Sufc your saying hes crap and didnt want him. Looking at that record Id have him anyday as to get out this league you need a prolific scorer. Take away Armers goals last season and we would have been in the bottom half

Looking at that line up from Charlie the thought of Haynes and Willis as full backs scares me silly. Last season Willis before his injury was decent going forward but as a defender with a winger running at him he got skinned every time and Haynes is a mistake waiting to happen going on last season and the friendlies this season

Chipfat · Jul 29, 2016

Few more bodies to come in the door yet. And although it's always good to start well Barnsley and Wigan last year showed it's not decided in the first few months it's about what form you are in going into the last 15-10 games.

WONDERLAMPS · Jul 29, 2016

First Game:

Charles-Cook

Willis
Wilson
New CB (hopefully)

Rose
New CM (Hopefully)
Gadzhev
Reid

Jones
Lameiras
Sordell

stevefloyd · Jul 29, 2016

ms639 said:
Haha don't make me laugh! Better than Fleck the player who was without doubt our player of the year and was rightly awarded so?

And we tailed off badly with him in the side ...so lets see what unfolds and instead of being pessimistic lets get out to watch the boys boost gates so we have more money coming in for our esteemed owners to shell out a little

SkyBlueScottie · Jul 29, 2016

ms639 said:
Would love to be proved completely wrong but we weren't selling our better players for 50k to rivals last year 3 weeks before the start of the season

Another way to look at it, is we didn't have anybody to sell... Part and parcel of Footy is having to wheel and deal. We have forgotten what it's like cos we have been used to the board taking the money away...

Skybluefaz · Jul 29, 2016

ms639 said:
So I just had a look to remind me of the starting line up for the first game of the season last year:

GK- Burge
RB- Willis
CB- Ricketts
CB- Johnson
LB- Stokes
CM- Vincelot
CM- Fleck
RM- O'brien
LM- Lameiras
CAM- Maddison
ST- Armstrong

Now admittedly with that squad at the time I wasn't hugely optimistic, a lot of new and untested players however there is not one area in that squad except perhaps RCC between the sticks where we have made any improvement. People can keep spouting this nonsense that we are too pessimistic and there should be some trust that things will come good. There is zero evidence to support this, our squad is full of kids and dross, best players have left and a 15th place finish would be an achievement with the current crop. Considering the players that have left (bold, obviously everyone is unsure on Reda's situation) only a miracle in the next couple of weeks in terms of wheeling a dealing is going to deliver any hope. Very difficult to be optimistic!

Maddison was dreadful for half a season. Armstrong was incredible, but unknown at this point last season. Of the players you've mentioned Fleck and Vince will be missed, however I feel we've already adequately replaced them with McCann and Gadzhev.

ccfcway · Jul 30, 2016

FRY-CCFC said:
First Game:

Charles-Cook

Willis
Wilson
New CB (hopefully)

Rose
New CM (Hopefully)
Gadzhev
Reid

Jones
Lameiras
Sordell

wilson hasn't signed yet

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jul 30, 2016

ms639 said:
Reid who at the age of 28 has played for 12 different clubs? Seems like a highly prized asset

What an odd comment, none of our first team players that started the Wigan match were highly prized assets at that time.

Is it compared with the illustrious talents of O'Brien and Lameiras who started that match, or unproved duo of Armstrong and Maddison. Maybe the misfit Stokes who people enjoyed pointing out that Forest Green didn't want him, or Vincelot who people were quick to point out had just been relegated. Or Fleck who played his part in three years underachievement.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jul 30, 2016

ms639 said:
Haha don't make me laugh! Better than Fleck the player who was without doubt our player of the year and was rightly awarded so?

Genuine question, how many times have you seen Ghadzhev play?

Irish Sky Blue · Jul 30, 2016

Not saying he will be better than Fleck but I have been impressed with Gadzev at Oldham and the two Nuneaton games. He looks a good player.

robbiekeane · Jul 31, 2016

Misleading post...highlighting all of the players who have left since our starting line up as if it proves how worse off we are.

Add in Gadzhev, Rose, Jones, Sordell, Reid, McCann,

With K.Thomas in the squad

And then strongly rumoured Kelvin Wilson too, and we know Mowbray and Venus aren't done yet in the transfer market....and your argument looks pretty shit and your pessimism largely unfounded

WONDERLAMPS · Jul 31, 2016

ccfcway said:
wilson hasn't signed yet

Venus basically confirmed it at the SCG

ms639 · Aug 24, 2016

People still disagree or.....?

Gazolba · Aug 24, 2016

ms639 said:
So I just had a look to remind me of the starting line up for the first game of the season last year:

GK- Burge
RB- Willis
CB- Ricketts
CB- Johnson
LB- Stokes
CM- Vincelot
CM- Fleck
RM- O'brien
LM- Lameiras
CAM- Maddison
ST- Armstrong

Now admittedly with that squad at the time I wasn't hugely optimistic, a lot of new and untested players however there is not one area in that squad except perhaps RCC between the sticks where we have made any improvement. <snip>

And the ones we had before that, Baker, Moussa, Wilson, McGoldrick etc. were even better

SkyblueBri · Aug 24, 2016

No, I think we shot ourselves in the foot big time. when we let go so many players.

ccfcway · Aug 24, 2016

FRY-CCFC said:
Venus basically confirmed it at the SCG

not quite right then was he ?

WONDERLAMPS · Aug 24, 2016

ccfcway said:
not quite right then was he ?

well rotherham came in didn't they

it's almost as if things can change

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