My eldest daughter is half Asian. Pakistani if you must know.You're a very angry person clearly .
I disowned my dad 24 years ago after I visited him in hospital and witnessed him racially abusing a poor bloke in the next bed. I walked out after giving him what I thought.
You don't need to lecture me on racism but if you see yourself as some born again anti racist flag waving saviour then great . If you can spot racism " a mile off" perhaps put it to more use in a professional capacity instead of speculation with people you don't know on here.
You said you used to be a racist. Still carrying a lot of anger and resentment by the look of it. You were clearly a nasty piece of work but now it's all gone.My eldest daughter is half Asian. Pakistani if you must know.
Born again whatsoever? Go get fucked. I've had enough of this shit. Your most recent posts have told me everything I need to know.
Try sitting there with one of your own children trying to explain why they're not as worthless as others see them. Then you might get my drift.
I've about had enough ofYou said you used to be a racist. Still carrying a lot of anger and resentment by the look of it. You were clearly a nasty piece of work but now it's all gone.
Sure . Knock yourself out . I'm sure trolling this site for evidence gives you a sense of purposeI've about had enough of
your racism. Would you like me to bring up previous posts of yours?
And I would love you to show the world of what you insinuate.
You're nothing but scum.
And here you go. You was supposed to be showing everyone where I said I used to be a racist. Very simple. How many racists do you know that have black children?Sure . Knock yourself out . I'm sure trolling this site for evidence gives you a sense of purpose
Name calling is all you've got . The "ex" racist now putting the world to rights . You sound a much like the nasty cynical piece of work you say you once were. Ironic really. .
Wright bloody doesStern John was lazy. Noel Whelan could be lazy.
Dasilva , MVE , Latibeaudier work their socks off.
Simms and Wright don't have the same work ethic.
So that makes me a racist ?
Was I ? Read through your posts .You were from a family of racists . You were "part of the problem "And here you go. You was supposed to be showing everyone where I said I used to be a racist. Very simple. How many racists do you know that have black children?
And I would be trolling if I showed any of your racist remarks from the past you say. Classic defence mechanisms from yourself. You're nothing but a oxygen thief.
What a bellend.Was I ? Read through your posts .You were from a family of racists . You were "part of the problem "
You said "would you like me to bring up previous posts of yours? " with regard to my "racist comment"
You haven't.
Now you've got " black children" . Yesterday you had an eldest daughter who was mixed race .
Most parents would know.
Perhaps you've forgotten what you previously made up.
At least be consistent because it's clear you're either a liar or you're pissed.
You wrote this at 2am. It shows.
I'm putting you on ignore to give you a chance to get yourself together .
At no point in my post did I ever say the word racist. In fact my point was more that having a bias doesn't necessarily mean you are racist, but it's important for everyone to understand their own biases and tendencies.Unconscious bias ? Really ?
" I think he's lazy because of the way he doesn't try when he's lost the ball, doesn't close down, gives up too easily. It's nothing to do with his race whatsoever "
" Err..... It is. Subconsciously it's because he's black. You just don't realise it. But underneath it's because you're a racist. "
In that case every single criticism of every player who isn't white is racially motivated. Most of it "subconsciously" What absolute tosh. It's almost funny in a subconscious way.
Plenty of white players I haven't liked . Is it because , subconsciously, they're white or does that in fact depend on my own heritage ? .
| Player | Season | Tackles | Blocks | Ints |
| Wright | 23/24 | 1.17 | 0.95 | 0.11 |
| Waghorn | 21/22 | 1.01 | 0.78 | 0.39 |
| Simms | 23/24 | 0.61 | 0.27 | 0.14 |
| Gyokeres | 22/23 | 0.47 | 0.51 | 0.07 |
| Godden | 23/24 | 0.40 | 0.71 | 0.15 |
To add something to this discussion (which I’m sure certain posters will hate) I looked at some stats that could indicate “laziness”. Unfortunately distance covered per game is not really available without subscription to an expensive stats provider. That said:
Defensive actions (per 90)
Player Season Tackles Blocks Ints Wright 23/24 1.17 0.95 0.11 Waghorn 21/22 1.01 0.78 0.39 Simms 23/24 0.61 0.27 0.14 Gyokeres 22/23 0.47 0.51 0.07 Godden 23/24 0.40 0.71 0.15
Do those numbers really line up with the perception that Wright and Simms are significantly lazier than our other strikers?
Good thread @robbiekeane . Genuinely missed this one but very interesting to go back and read the original post and then the comments - some 'interesting' viewpoints.I do think it’s important to recognise that these kind of ingrained biases unfortunately cultivate a culture where these more explicit racist acts can happen.
Further to the above actually, I was chatting to someone this morning after Chris Powell was sacked by Huddersfield and we were talking about the under-representation of BAME managers in the league and the rationale for this. We 'guessed' that the % of BAME players in the 92 EPL/EFL teams was probably somewhere between 20-40%? There's not 20-40% BAME managers though.
You're indeed correct, I've edited to correct it.Chris Powell wasn't sacked by Huddersfield
Palmer isn't lazy at all and since he's returned he's been absolutely charging around. He seems to put in a lot of challenges for a player that high up the pitch and a new fire seems to have ignited in him.
Simms is just completely bereft of confidence and was taken out the team just as his performance levels were going up. I hope he's back in for Bristol City.
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Separate to the racism element, but I listened to a podcast with Steve Claridge last night. Under no circumstances could he be described as lazy, he never stopped running. But he said that one manager told him just to stick around the 18 yard box, and not to track back to get the ball, which was totally alien to him. Lack of movement like that would give the impression of laziness, when actually it's just a tactical decision. The player himself wanted to chase around and put in the hard yards, but the manager wanted him to simply occupy the defenders in a certain part of the pitch, and that was all. Obviously, we're not party to the tactics to that degree, and I do think my (our) lack of actual, nitty gritty footballing nous probably skews perceptions of players unfairly.
Should be Darren MooreYou're indeed correct, I've edited to correct it.
The person I was speaking to about this this morning in the referenced conversation was saying that he interviewed Chris Powell about the racism subject and under-representation in management when he was Charlton manager, hence the wrong name.
Chris Powell was sacked by Huddersfield!You're indeed correct, I've edited to correct it.
The person I was speaking to about this this morning in the referenced conversation was saying that he interviewed Chris Powell about the racism subject and under-representation in management when he was Charlton manager, hence the wrong name.
Should be Darren Moore
I see he's been sacked again, how many times is that now ?
and @Deleted member 5849 ...I know - I went back and corrected it and explained my errorShould be Darren Moore
Where am I doing that then ? Perhaps you can explain how unconscious bias can be measured on an individual basis .At no point in my post did I ever say the word racist. In fact my point was more that having a bias doesn't necessarily mean you are racist, but it's important for everyone to understand their own biases and tendencies.
It's pretty ironic that you're mocking the idea of unconcious bias while simultaneously introducing your own.
Further to the above actually, I was chatting to someone this morning after Darren Powell was sacked by Huddersfield and we were talking about the under-representation of BAME managers in the league and the rationale for this. We 'guessed' that the % of BAME players in the 92 EPL/EFL teams was probably somewhere between 20-40%? There's not 20-40% BAME managers though.
probably because Darren Moore was sacked by Huddersfield, and there's a certain irony in confusing two black managers while making a point about potential unconscious bias/racism.@Grendel Interested to know how this one was found to be funny?
Post #262 explains my error. Let's not try and paint this as some sort of unconscious bias/racism on my part.probably because Darren Moore was sacked by Huddersfield, and there's a certain irony in confusing two black managers while making a point about potential unconscious bias/racism.
20 years to write your dissertation! Lazy or just meticulous?Good thread @robbiekeane
This whole thing reminds me of my dissertation which I did over 20 years. I looked at positional assignment of professional footballers based on national stereotypes, in the Premier League.
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