Grendel
Well-Known Member
A somewhat ironic post
What's he stereotyping you as? An idiot?
Absolutely nothing to do with wokeness.I think that people squandering their talent and opportunity is as much an issue as anything else.
Bright is a clear example. For balance, so was Kevin Thornton.
People bang on that I suggested we looked at Hudlin when he was non-league and local. “If he was any good, why isn’t he playing higher” droned on the know-it-alls. He was studying at Uni at the time and chose to complete his studies. Now, that to me was worthy of respect. Whether or not he turns out to be any good I still respect someone with that mindset.
Laziness has nothing to do with skin colour and people need to become less woke and more accountable for their choices, instead of blaming everyone else for their lot.
I haven't seen enough of Wright to comment to be honest.Hadji Wright is lazy
Jay Bothroyd was lazy but very gifted
Mick Quinn was fat, round , great over two yards and had a knack for scoring loads of goals.
All factually correct.
Please don't set them off!I'd be interested to know the average age of all the posters saying this is a load of shit. I think there's a generational aspect to it.
I'd also be interested to see their thoughts on BLM/taking the knee. I suspect there would be some very strong correlation.
I'm going non binary after watching Dr Who last night so my opinion is even more important because I can save humanity.I'd be interested to know the average age of all the posters saying this is a load of shit. I think there's a generational aspect to it.
I'd also be interested to see their thoughts on BLM/taking the knee. I suspect there would be some very strong correlation.
I'd be interested to know the average age of all the posters saying this is a load of shit. I think there's a generational aspect to it.
I'd also be interested to see their thoughts on BLM/taking the knee. I suspect there would be some very strong correlation.
Ridiculous post, I’ve been a big supporter of Wright all season and have been trying to sing their praises when others have been moaning about him but I can fully understand why people have called him “lazy”. It’s nothing to do with the colour of skin, it’s to do with the fact that he often doesn’t press as quickly as others or get into position quickly enough or attempt to get the ball off the opposition as much others, it’s as simple as that.
When you’ve got Godden next to him running around like a headless chicken it makes Wright look comparatively lazy, and as much I’ve been trying to provide an argument about other positive aspects of his game on here over the last few months, I get that he does come across as lazy.
To reduce his play style down to the colour of his skin is downright ridiculous and makes me think you’ve not watched many of our games properly, if at all.
There was a very long thread on BLM and taking the knee.I'd be interested to know the average age of all the posters saying this is a load of shit. I think there's a generational aspect to it.
I'd also be interested to see their thoughts on BLM/taking the knee. I suspect there would be some very strong correlation.
I do think you are wrongThere was a very long thread on BLM and taking the knee.
As for any notion that attitudes to players is based on race etc it's been going on since the 1970s.
I happen to think Hadji Wright isn't giving 100% , which for me is unforgivable for any professional footballer.
Cyrille Regis was a hero. Gave his all. Was never a prolific goalscorer and never blessed with close control skills but attitude was first class.
James Madison. A really talent. Sad when he left but when he came back on loan he was bloody awful. Rolled around on the floor a lot and couldn't have cared less.
Lewis Hamilton is an absolute hero.
Race, colour etc nothing to do with it for me. If they are crap/lazy/brilliant they are there on merit.
...he's miles offsideClears ball from edge of own box -
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10 secs later back in striker's role for Sheaf's throughball. The lazy bastard.
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So what you're saying is that he isn't too lazy, he's too fast....he's miles offside
tbf I don't really want to bog this particular thread down with the Wright specifics, there are threads for that. It is where I think the OP doesn't necessarily apply to this specific though. I'd agree, as things stand it's hard to call him lazy but I think that's more people being slow to change their minds. There were definitely times earlier in the season where lazy was maybe a reasonable description - one time the crowd effectively told him to close down before he did. Then, however, we found out it may have actually been tactical instruction not to press so hard so fast, and you can also use the excuse of learning a new system.So what you're saying is that he isn't too lazy, he's too fast.
If you try to have a sensible discussion, about a clearly documented issue with supporting evidence, it is inevitable the cherry pickers and people who are not presenting an evidence based reply will all come out of the woodwork in high dudgeon. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with you (and a few others).Okay so you believe the argument is flawed about one example of many provided in one study out of 4.
What do you say about the data? We can all pick out random white players with attitude problems and black players who actually had poor attitudes, but we both know that isn’t what this is about.
They do not invalidate the broader pattern of racial bias observed in sports commentary and media representation. The key issue is not that these descriptions are never accurate or applicable to individual athletes, but that there’s a consistent, overarching trend where certain types of descriptions are disproportionately applied to athletes based on their race.
It’s important to differentiate between individual cases and systemic tendencies. While there will always be individual examples that don’t fit the general pattern, they don’t negate the existence of the pattern itself.
The goal is to highlight and address these broader, more pervasive trends that can influence public perception and contribute to stereotyping…
but you know that
When he kicked it out for a throw in the second half embarrassingly poor, but not lazy.
Not at all . You can't be too fast Otis, but he clearly isn't reading the game. He has great bursts of speed . He also spends a lot of time hanging around static on the halfway line . I rarely see him make the runs off the ball to pull defenders away which allows other attacking players in. He's poor in the air , couldn't trap a bag of sand or hold the ball up sufficiently. He's tall and occasionally quick . I'd expect a bit more for £7m.So what you're saying is that he isn't too lazy, he's too fast.
The point he ran from A-B in about 10 seconds ?
tbf Allen is exceptional though, isn't he. You wouldn't expect Allen's workrate as par from just about any of the team.The point he ran from A-B in about 10 seconds ?
Would you say his workrate is on a par with Bidwell, Allen or even Simms ?
He’s poor in the air? Apart from that great header to win the game against Blackburn.The point he ran from A-B in about 10 seconds ?
Would you say his workrate is on a par with Bidwell, Allen or even Simms ?
It's true - Cyrille wasn't exactly a wow in his first couple of seasons with us.Compared to Dave Bennett (full of running) and Garry Thompson (all action) Cyrille appeared to put in less effort. Also, at WBA Cyrille apparently put in more effort. According to some (I think I read it in Thommo’s book or it might have been a Bennett podcast), Regis was off the rails and more likely partied out when he was first here and later found religion. It might be that he was hanging like a fruitbat on a Saturday. I’ll leave that there.
Also, Le Tissier was often labelled lazy. Now he’s labelled mad and is mainstream cancelled because of his unfashionable views and doesn’t get TV slots. Must be his skin colour.
He’s poor in the air? Apart from that great header to win the game against Blackburn.
How many 50/50 challenges does he win in the air ?He’s poor in the air? Apart from that great header to win the game against Blackburn.
Great post, mateI find this discussion interesting to read. A lot of people seem to be unable to separate the general from the specific. The OG is making an interesting and valid point about laguage bias (unconscious or conscious) and has given some statistics and examples to back up the argument. It seems like a serious topic that we, as a progressive group, should be able to discuss.It's totally fine to excuse yourself from being one of these people but to say it's not worth discussing is actually wrong.
I think some people are proving the point by dismissing it whilst others seem focussed on the individual examples. It doesn't matter whether an individual black or white player is lazy or not, the point is that there is a tendancy to use certain phrases when describing certain players based on skin colour. There is a set of language often used for black people a bit more than white people.
There are people on this forum who do a lot of campaigning against our players and it is noticeable that they are targeting mainly black or non-white players. This is a phenomenon which is happens often across football and in society in general. They might not even be aware they are doing it and threads like this might raise that awareness.
I am of the opinion that we should all be a bit more careful with the laguage we choose so we can make society a more equal place. I would like to think I don't make these mistakes but I am willing to take a look at myself and think a bot more carefully.
This doesn't mean that we can never call a black player lazy again but maybe we can ask ourselves if we would say the same thing to a white player in the same situation.
That goal was well-taken, but one unchallenged header doesn’t make him good in the air. I don’t think I have seen him compete successfully for any aerial challenges all season, nor look interested in doing so. Whatever his strengths may or not be, there’s zero evidence that aerial ability/desire is one of them.
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As far as I'm concerned if a player doesn't appear to be putting in a shift I'll call it out. I couldn't care less whether he's black or white. I'll use the same language irrespective of race etc. I'll treat them the same and so should everyone .I find this discussion interesting to read. A lot of people seem to be unable to separate the general from the specific. The OG is making an interesting and valid ezpoint about laguage bias (unconscious or conscious) and has given some statistics and examples to back up the argument. It seems like a serious topic that we, as a progressive group, should be able to discuss.It's totally fine to excuse yourself from being one of these people but to say it's not worth discussing is actually wrong.
I think some people are proving the point by dismissing it whilst others seem focussed on the individual examples. It doesn't matter whether an individual black or white player is lazy or not, the point is that there is a tendancy to use certain phrases when describing certain players based on skin colour. There is a set of language often used for black people a bit more than white people.
There are people on this forum who do a lot of campaigning against our players and it is noticeable that they are targeting mainly black or non-white players. This is a phenomenon which is happens often across football and in society in general. They might not even be aware they are doing it and threads like this might raise that awareness.
I am of the opinion that we should all be a bit more careful with the laguage we choose so we can make society a more equal place. I would like to think I don't make these mistakes but I am willing to take a look at myself and think a bot more carefully.
This doesn't mean that we can never call a black player lazy again but maybe we can ask ourselves if we would say the same thing to a white player in the same situation
Spot onI find this discussion interesting to read. A lot of people seem to be unable to separate the general from the specific. The OG is making an interesting and valid point about laguage bias (unconscious or conscious) and has given some statistics and examples to back up the argument. It seems like a serious topic that we, as a progressive group, should be able to discuss.It's totally fine to excuse yourself from being one of these people but to say it's not worth discussing is actually wrong.
I think some people are proving the point by dismissing it whilst others seem focussed on the individual examples. It doesn't matter whether an individual black or white player is lazy or not, the point is that there is a tendancy to use certain phrases when describing certain players based on skin colour. There is a set of language often used for black people a bit more than white people.
There are people on this forum who do a lot of campaigning against our players and it is noticeable that they are targeting mainly black or non-white players. This is a phenomenon which is happens often across football and in society in general. They might not even be aware they are doing it and threads like this might raise that awareness.
I am of the opinion that we should all be a bit more careful with the laguage we choose so we can make society a more equal place. I would like to think I don't make these mistakes but I am willing to take a look at myself and think a bot more carefully.
This doesn't mean that we can never call a black player lazy again but maybe we can ask ourselves if we would say the same thing to a white player in the same situation.
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