clint van damme
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I've got mates in their late 50s, early 60s who wouldn't have a clue.
They know a whole raft of shit I'd give my right arm to know, plumbing, electrical work etc, etc, but lucky me, I can buy an online ticket!
It’s not about people not being viable, it’s about people still choosing not to have internet in 2023. Same as people that insist on using cash only, or who don’t want to use other technology. At some point it’s on them.
My Dad is 76 and worked as a systems analyst, pretty much everyone alive today will have been at work since computers were a major part of our lives. There’s really no excuse beyond disability.
And what about the freedom to choose? It's not on them at all, it's on everyone else to ensure we can accommodate people who make different choices and have a society that respects how people choose to live their lives. We can't accommodate everyone's wishes, we have to push forward and progress, but a society that compels people to use a smart phone or only use digital money sounds pretty tyrannical to me.
Besides, it's the rate of change that is the issue. People need to move with the times, we wouldn't accommodate people who emptied a slop bucket in the street because they choose not to have a toilet. Society moves on. But in the digital age, the rate of change is rapid. We mustn't leave people behind.
I've got mates in their late 50s, early 60s who wouldn't have a clue.
They know a whole raft of shit I'd give my right arm to know, plumbing, electrical work etc, etc, but lucky me, I can buy an online ticket!
They need to sort their shit out then. If you can do electrical work but not use a browser it’s because you can’t be arsed to learn and are expecting the rest of society to pick up the slack for your strategic incompetence.
It's nothing like 99% though is it?To be clear what you are asking for is extremely large infrastructure, mostly maintained by poverty wages, so you don’t have to do a task 99% of the population has no issues with, despite there being no reasonable excuse not to.
The web has been around for over 30 years. Home computers well over 50. Even smartphones are over 15 years old at this point. It’s not like it turned up last week and we’re demanding people use it!
What a shitty attitude.
I agree. Expecting the world to stop improving people’s standards of living because you can’t be arsed to learn the most basic of skills is an extremely shitty attitude.
It's nothing like 99% though is it?
I agree. Expecting the world to stop improving people’s standards of living because you can’t be arsed to learn the most basic of skills is an extremely shitty attitude.
It might have been the subject by some previously, but if it has , then nobody is listening.
Today’s visit is again league 2 at best , with one woman serving a growing line of people & seemingly the only time another person is there , is when the First Lady goes for lunch !
You would have thought that the old ccfc store, having at least 3 windows, would have been updated in our new super store , but we have 2 computers in a cramped corner, back to back with the printing window , but only 1 being used .
We have Swansea , Middlesbrough, Leicester, Oxford etc tickets being bought , but Doug , you are letting these paying customers down badly !
Hilarious. You're showing yourself up to be a right prick.
And yet all those youngsters with a sneering sense of superiority because they can use a smartphone (despite having no real idea how it works) would have no clue how to cook a nutritious meal, bleed a radiator, fix a door or change a wheel. Progress.
I do wonder what would happen if a solar flare took out all our satellites. Poor old grandad's phone wouldn't stop ringing (land line, obvs).
They need to sort their shit out then. If you can do electrical work but not use a browser it’s because you can’t be arsed to learn and are expecting the rest of society to pick up the slack for your strategic incompetence.
Bit harsh, but my 94 yeah old grandad has made himself learns and does all his stuff online now. No excuses for me really.
This is my point. Obviously I’m online so I’m being a prick for effect, but plenty of older people manage to learn and there’s some who just don’t want to and want everyone else to help them out.
Same with my 78 year old mum, gone a bit too far down the online rabbit given the amount left wing you tube channels she now subscribes to.Bit harsh, but my 94 year old grandad has made himself learn and does all his stuff online now. No excuses for me really.
Say it nicer next time
Don't think anyone is saying there shouldn't be an option for those who genuinely can't buy a ticket any other way, maybe with he caveat that they shouldn't be expecting to be able to walk into the club store at any point and be served immediately.
The issue is more around making sure the systems we use have the functionality that allows as many people as possible to buy online and for people who are capable of buying online to use that system rather than turning up at the store.
i think this is pretty much it, the staff at the t/o are there to help people who have to come to the ticket office i.e. disabled season tickets etc and those who genuinely can't use the internet.Don't think anyone is saying there shouldn't be an option for those who genuinely can't buy a ticket any other way, maybe with he caveat that they shouldn't be expecting to be able to walk into the club store at any point and be served immediately.
The issue is more around making sure the systems we use have the functionality that allows as many people as possible to buy online and for people who are capable of buying online to use that system rather than turning up at the store.
Insult me all you like. Why is it only technology where this is an OK attitude? If I pretended I couldn’t work the vacuum and demanded someone come and did it for me is that OK?
Unless you’ve got a developmental disorder this is very very basic stuff. It’s not too complex. It’s just people don’t want to do it.
At 54 I wouldn’t say I’m elderly, but it baffles the hell out of me.Many elderly people find the modern world pretty confusing, so we should definitely keep this route open. The argument is always yeah but it's 2023, these people need to get with the times blah blah.
This is my point. Obviously I’m online so I’m being a prick for effect, but plenty of older people manage to learn and there’s some who just don’t want to and want everyone else to help them out.
It is still a shitty attitude, no matter how you dress it up.
My old man, who has all sorts of practical skills I don't, really struggles with it. I have tried to sit with him many times but he cannot grasp it and it is the source of a huge amount of frustration for him.
The team I run at work often have to talk elderly customers through the connection of a WiFi datalogger to their router. It's easy, but we are sometimes on the phone for hours and we've had customers crying on the phone.
You're attitude is clearly fuck em, they should try harder? Fair enough then.
Using the internet to purchase a football ticket is nowhere near as complex as doing mechanical work on a car.I'm the same with cars.
I have to pay someone to do the simplest jobs.
Lads in my office can't understand it, tell me to youtube it, it's dead easy, but I don't have the confidence or the wherewithal, we all have our falibilities
Using the internet to purchase a football ticket is nowhere near as complex as doing mechanical work on a car.
In todays society, barring a disability, anyone should be able to achieve basic tasks on a computer/the internet. It's a life skill in the same way that cooking, cleaning, tying your shoelaces etc. is.
I'm the same with cars.
I have to pay someone to do the simplest jobs.
Lads in my office can't understand it, tell me to youtube it, it's dead easy, but I don't have the confidence or the wherewithal, we all have our falibilities.
Had exactly the same thing, on a focus aswell, ended up having to go to Halfords, and a young girl atleast 10 years younger than me had it changed and sorted in about 10 minutes. Fair play to her. But I didn’t half feel emasculatedGood point tbf. Last time I had a go was changing a headlight bulb on my old focus and ended up with a completely disassembled car and nearly cried. Never again
Had exactly the same thing, on a focus aswell, ended up having to go to Halfords, and a young girl atleast 10 years younger than me had it changed and sorted in about 10 minutes. Fair play to her. But I didn’t half feel emasculated
I'm not great with cars past the basics but DIY is a real no go for me, even the most basic things.I'm the same with cars.
I have to pay someone to do the simplest jobs.
Lads in my office can't understand it, tell me to youtube it, it's dead easy, but I don't have the confidence or the wherewithal, we all have our falibilities.
Wonder if we went through this with phones.In todays society, barring a disability, anyone should be able to achieve basic tasks on a computer/the internet.
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