What like Fletcher saying not owning the Ricoh has cost us £70M.Timmy has been spouting this figure for a while but does anyone know how this number has been arrived at? Is it the rent of the 5 or 6 clubs who actually do pay rent? Does it include mortgage payments by those who own their own stadiums? Where have any numbers actually come from - each club willingly told Timmy? Football League don't publish figures so has someone been creative with a calculator and no one has questioned it?
Shame our local newshounds don't have the investigative balls to do some work and not just reprint press releases.
It is somewhat irrelevant - we don't play at an average league 1 ground.
You pay a rent that is commensurate with the facility that you rent - surely?
If I rented Windsor castle, would I expect to pay £50 per week because my mates all live in a council flat, and that is who I hang about with? Stupid argument.
I accept that we probably pay more than average, and that is more than we can afford, but that is not the fault of the landlord, surely?
We pay 1000% more. It's the equivalent of paying for Windsor castle but living in Bell Green.
It's beyond any justification.
It's difficult to get the figures. Ipswich I believe pay £15,000 a month. Given limited revenue for most League 1 clubs its difficult to see the rent being much higher than the quoted figure.
You need to go back to school
1000% more means an additional ten times the base.
Ten times the base = 1700000
Added to the original, that means 1870000
Ie £1.87M
But as always, you miss the point, we are not renting a flat in bell green......
15k was the figure they used to pay per year not per month. Ipswich Council wanted £115k per year and this was disputed for 8 years with not a penny being paid. It was only sorted this year and according to Alan Brazil on Talk Sport they agreed £30k per year!! On the opposite end of the spectrum youve got Walsall £470k and Colchester £300k both well documented.
At the end of the day our payment is totally dependent on what the mortgage payment is plus running costs plus ACL profit.
Without knowing what the mortgage payment is (assuming its been recalculated recently) then its hard to say what is fair.
We pay 1000% more. It's the equivalent of paying for Windsor castle but living in Bell Green.
It's beyond any justification.
But if I rented Windsor castle I would expect all profits I make to go into my wallet, not the owners!!It is somewhat irrelevant - we don't play at an average league 1 ground.
You pay a rent that is commensurate with the facility that you rent - surely?
If I rented Windsor castle, would I expect to pay £50 per week because my mates all live in a council flat, and that is who I hang about with? Stupid argument.
I accept that we probably pay more than average, and that is more than we can afford, but that is not the fault of the landlord, surely?
As pointed out by the OP 1000% more than who.
Why dies the telegraph not phone Mr Fisher and ask.
If he is happy with this figure then he will be happy to say where it is calculated from.
Then you do need to calculate in the additional value of the Ricoh.
It is SISU's job to increase the attendances not ACL's.
ACL are providing a first class facility it is mot their fault SISU are not maximising on the potential.
400k sounds more than fair if an average league one ground is 170.
I take it average would be a 6k ground?
Absolutely agree. A bit of common sense. Take a bowNo unfortunately it is you who is missing the point.
Average rent in the league is based on being in that league. The rent would be expected to increase if a club was in the Premier League reagardless of the bricks and mortar as the commercial average dictates such. So we are not in Windsor and we are not a castle. We are a football club in the Third Tier. The average in the Championship is £280,000 and there are many many grounds as good as ours. What you are effectively saying is because we are a richer club we pay more. This is like saying you pay more to have your drive done than your neighbour because you earn more. Nonsense - market value is dictated by averages and also by the ability to obtain a rent of anyone else. In your juvenile example Windsor Castle would be empty if the tenant left as no-one else would come in - so the Landlord lowers his expectations.
Total costs are close to £1.6 million a year at present so its near enough 1000% above average.
Unnaceptable to anyone other than those who have shares in ACL.
The average in the Championship is £280,000. Ipswich seem to pay £30,000. There are many Grounds that are as good as ours in that League.
We have been paying over £1 million a year over the odds and have not been getting any revenue on matchdays.
Will ACL pay the club back?
I've got 213k from 5 clubs: Donny, Bournemouth, Colchester, Walsall, Stevenage.
I cba to look for anymore, I'm in revision season (ish).
And Walsall at £427,000 distorts the average as it is paid to the Landlord who also owns the club.
So do you think the Ricoh is an average championship stadium as the stadiums I went to I would day the Ricoh was above average.
So do you think the Ricoh is an average championship stadium as the stadiums I went to I would day the Ricoh was above average.
Is Portman Road an average Championship stadium? Ipswich pay 30k a year, moved down from 115k
Do they have a mortgage
Do they have a mortgage
No, but do ACL need. 1.28m a year? No! Are CCFC paying for a product that is over the market value?
Pride Park, Middlesborough, Portman Road, Hull, Cardiff. Wolves, Bolton, Leicester, Forest....??
Still missing the point anyway. The average is the commercial price in that League. If you rented a small ground and entered the Premiership it rises hugely as that is the average in that League.
No, but do ACL need. 1.28m a year? No! Are CCFC paying for a product that is over the market value?
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