Grendel
Well-Known Member
I'm sure CJ and Gary Pendrey will escort you in.....
And I'd need a body guard.
I would've been happy for SISU to get ownership. They are, to all intents and purposes, Coventry City.
If it wasn't for ACL, CCFC would be out of business. £20m mortgage taken out because CCFC couldn't afford their share, so ACL rented the Ricoh to them untill such time as they could buy back in again. £15-16m still left to pay and SISU want to grind a Charity into the ground, get the Ricoh for peanuts and still make ACL pay off the mortgage. Some of you older supporters are condoning this disgusting piece of "Dirty Work"....I always thought we older ones had "Scruples"....obviously not!:jerkit:
Torch and Grendel - thanks for the direct answers. There is absolutely no need for anyone to wear body armour or have a body guard and there really is absolutely no basis to say such a thing. I'm beginning to struggle a bit to understand your lines of argument and, most crucially, I really don't understand why so much effort goes in to making incorrect points about the Trust when the current crisis is about ACL and SISU and it is those two bodies that need to be more transparent and demonstrate they are seeking (as I said in yesterday's thread) a holistic solution rather than the somewhat simplified positions that often seem to be put forward.
I was kind of joking Michael. In all honesty I have nothing against the sky blue trust and I am sure that the people who work in it do so with the best of intentions and with very little reward.
My post yesterday outlined my beliefs how it should operate and also outlined some confusion over its objectives.
However you can see the issue just on this thread. If you express any belief that the club is correct to pursue rent reduction or indeed offer any suggestion they are getting things right you are immediately attacked.
To try and engineer any regime change from a supporter angle is honestly pie in the sky so it's a case of working with what you have and attempting to achieve things through co-operation.
So I apologise if I sound negative towards you Jan etc. my grievance I guess is not to do with you but the curious mentality which exists that the owners will never do anything right.
If that trait is continued west get what we ask for and it almost certainly will not be what we wish for.
I was kind of joking Michael. In all honesty I have nothing against the sky blue trust and I am sure that the people who work in it do so with the best of intentions and with very little reward.
My post yesterday outlined my beliefs how it should operate and also outlined some confusion over its objectives.
However you can see the issue just on this thread. If you express any belief that the club is correct to pursue rent reduction or indeed offer any suggestion they are getting things right you are immediately attacked.
To try and engineer any regime change from a supporter angle is honestly pie in the sky so it's a case of working with what you have and attempting to achieve things through co-operation.
So I apologise if I sound negative towards you Jan etc. my grievance I guess is not to do with you but the curious mentality which exists that the owners will never do anything right.
If that trait is continued west get what we ask for and it almost certainly will not be what we wish for.
Torch and Grendel - thanks for the direct answers. There is absolutely no need for anyone to wear body armour or have a body guard and there really is absolutely no basis to say such a thing. I'm beginning to struggle a bit to understand your lines of argument and, most crucially, I really don't understand why so much effort goes in to making incorrect points about the Trust when the current crisis is about ACL and SISU and it is those two bodies that need to be more transparent and demonstrate they are seeking (as I said in yesterday's thread) a holistic solution rather than the somewhat simplified positions that often seem to be put forward.
I think it is fair to say last season Torch you were in a minority were you not?
If I was ever to go to a Trust meeting, I probably wouldn't voice my opinions in fear of being 'attacked' (verbally) as me, you and Torch find ourselves on the defence any time we voice our opinions.
Tbf SBT I think you are more of an attacking force than a defensive or counter attacking one!
Don't you find it ironic that the rent agreement could be a factor that could put us out of business?
Also, as you can tell you, and others are vehemently anti-SISU
To answer the first part......Why did SISU sign the agreement in the first place then?...before you start spouting rubbish...They did!
Secondly.....I'm as anti SISU as....... you, Torchy, and Grendel/kduffy(Mr Estimated facts on undisclosed transfer fees) are pro SISU. You have to be blind if you think for one second that they have CCFC at heart.....How much money can they grab is what they're all about. Simple as that!
"ACL exercised their right to pay the £21m premium on the 2 June 2006 therefore
CNR/CCC will be entitled to receive "super rent" in the future. This is payable when net
profits before tax are greater than £3.75m. The percentage of profits due to CNR/CCC
above this threshold starts at 10% and increases to 50% in a series of bands."
@ MichealCCFC....
Could you ask AshbyJan to post on here where he got his information about SISU having the £10m to buy shares in the Stadium please. I'm sure it was the same place as me...the CET.
Taylor, re: your post #140 in this thread. According to Coventry City Council:
CNR = Coventry North Regeneration Limited, which is the development company set up by Coventry City Council (CCC) to construct the Ricoh Arena. CNR is wholly owned by Coventry North Holdings Limited, which is wholly owned by Coventry City Council.
I'm aware of that, but because it is set up by the council, doesn't mean the taxpayers' will see any of the money, therefore, CCFC are not ripping off a charity nor the taxpayers of the city.
So, if ACL ever makes a profit and a percentage is returned to CCC, what would happen to that money? Would it not go towards council services, other council projects or supporting the council's balance sheet?
I for one do not know. But neither do you.
If ACL makes profit, their shareholders will get paid dividends and they can do with it as they will. They are representatives from the CCC and AHC.
Btw, Hoffman is a director (or something like that) at both the CET and Daily Mail, so the CET is going to spout some BS to turn fans (like yourself) against SISU. Just saying.
Osb - how can sisu's actions reflect on ccfc?
@ MichealCCFC....
Could you ask AshbyJan to post on here where he got his information about SISU having the £10m to buy shares in the Stadium please. I'm sure it was the same place as me...the CET.
Have you not heard the media comments about the non payment of rent?
Can you be sure that it will all end well for CCFC?
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