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And this is the guy leading the negotiations. The Diane Abbott of the Conservative party.

It is. Very shocking in some cases.

They don’t depend solely on us but it could and probably will hurt them. I’m not and never have denied that. You keep arguing a point I haven’t argued. My point is and repeatedly has been that it will hurt us more.

Then we wouldn’t have an arrangement like Norway and you’ve just wasted pages arguing that we could. You’re actually describing something more akin to EFTA membership with exclusions on certain trades such as farming if we’re going to accept USA beef and poultry. That on it’s own from an Irish...

Nothing wrong with ending up with membership of the EEA like Norway. Personally I’d prefer it to being in the EU but that isn’t what brexit negotiaters are proposing or apparently what people voted for. Norway doesn’t have full control of it’s border with the EU, Norway can’t refuse EU economic...

The bit that starts at 22 seconds is from the Cameron Farage debate I think. Where Cameron explained to Ferage that Norway still makes contributions to the EU etc. and I swear there was a moment of realisation for Ferage as he didn’t seem to understand what he’d been saying all these years while...

From the link you provided “To keep up the flow of goods and enjoy the benefits of low or zero tariffs when companies trade, Norway has committed to harmonise its commercial rules with those of the EU“ a custom union in all but name. It also means that that EU policy shapes Norway’s trade with...

It works via Norway’s membership of the EEA you moron. If you’re happy the we join the EEA post brexit, continue to contribute to the EU’s budget while having no say on the decision they make and allow for the free movement of people, goods and services with the EU then fine. It’s not just...

Absolutely. I haven’t given up yet on automatics and as you say we have a chance in January to address it. Losing Anthony Andrews has cost us. We need a solution for that.

The away form and lack of goals home and away confirms we’re no better than a playoff team at best. We won’t make the automatics based on the season so far. More goals will improve our away form and push us towards automatics. Struggling to see how we’re going to achieve that and I don’t think...

If a multi billion pound corporation takes a £2000 bad debt can they absorb it easier than a one man band taking a £2000 bad debt? The answer is of course yes it can. Common sense. Not guessing, just common sense. It’s the same principle. Collectively the EU economy is many times larger than the...

Where have I said you have? I was clearly talking about another poster mentioning those countries and using them in a way that indicates that they don’t understand what they voted for. I said it was an example of what I was saying to you about people not understanding what they voted for.

I’ve said it’s bad for all. It’s you who are having trouble excepting that it will be worse for us.

You don’t have to read anything to understand that a much larger demographic and population base i.e the EU is much better placed to absorb the same cost of a bad brexit deal than a much smaller demographic and population base i.e the U.K. That’s just common sense. It’s safety in numbers.

Because to be a member of either the EEA or EFTA you have to have commonalities and conditions. A lot of the trade between Northern and Southern Ireland may have to stop. Farming being especially vulnerable and this is one of the major trades between the two. If we joined the EEA as per Norway...

This is exactly the point I’ve been trying to make to astute. Someone who thinks they know everything doesn’t seem to know his EEA from his EFTA from his hard brexit. He brings Norway and Switzerland into the equation as a solution to the Irish border clearly with zero understanding of the...

Norway is in the EEA you muppet they have to contribute to the EU budget but have no voting rights and accept the free movement of goods, services and people with the EU.

A bad deal will be far far worse for the UK than the EU. This could smash the UK while barely scratching EU. Joe average in the EU street probably won’t even notice the difference, whereas the UK will feel it at every level of society.

Everyone was in my opinion. As things like the Irish border have proven that to be true. What border are we having with Ireland? Are we joining EFTA to achieve it? Are we joining the EEA to achieve it? Are we doing neither and having a hard border with passport and customs checks? People can...

They are a member of EFTA though which means they have a coordinated trade policy with the EU. I.E we wouldn’t be as free to negotiate our own trade deals as brexit is supposed to be. At least not to the we know what we voted for crowd. Maybe out doesn’t mean out after all?