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No I meant if we want to have the slimmest hope of making it as far as the semi finals we would need to top the group.

To qualify from the group, I was talking about topping the group as I stated in the post.

How this leaves the group, we need to win against Ukraine as if we want to progress to the latter stages as we need to top the group. I understand if level on points it goes to H2H as we drew vs France I would assume it goes to GD next?

Parker and Gerrard haven't got the energy to anchor and control the midfield by themselves imo

Hart saved the first goal initially, it was really an OG by Johnson. The ball was going wide for a corner/throw and it deflected back towards goal off Johnson

Would you start with Milner again, I feel Milner is very average as a wide player. He is better in a more central position.

Going to need to be 10x better in the next game, Rooney coming back will be a big plus. Defence needs to be tighter no idea what the defence were doing for the second goal, midfield needs to be much better. When the defence have the ball one of the midfielders need to drop to pick up the ball...

Midfield legs look gone again to me

Breathes a sigh of relief, don't cock it up now England. Amazing finish by Welbeck, still not sure if he meant it though

Now the twats that stand behind the goal decide to actually do something in the game :jerkit:

Not sure what the keeper was doing. Think he was still trying to figure out how he saved the Terry header.

Woo hooo :) Theo! Theo!

Theo on for Milner

We're screwed

We are looking very poor now, could lose this if we don't get our act together.

Fucksake, jammy goal

Fantastic cross from Gerrard also

Always said Carroll was a great player :) Cracking header

No Monday so it must be bull ;)

About to get back under way now I think, never seen anything like it.