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They do say ‘better the devil you know’ for a reason. Wasps are owned by a hedge fund willing to cynically relocate to a new city/market because there was an embattled city council and football team going at it. The council thought they one upped the football club!

Precisely this. History will look favourably on Southgate and the slander needs to stop. Earlier in the thread, people gave Capello a free pass for finishing second in a charitable Group and A relatively charitable route to a semi final. The bottom line is this: before Southgate, we left...

We lost on penalties. It’s no different how Spain equalised against Italy and forced penalties. Donnaruma is also a fantastic penalty saver, saving 40% of penalties he’s faced. For context, Pickford is a good penalty stopper who’s on about 20-25%. There’s things I’d have done differently. But...

You’d have said the same thing had he left the likes of Sancho and Rashford on the bench and we lost on penalties. Then again, we see the same people on here go into meltdown on a weekly basis. Armchair managers who don’t know as much as they think with inflated expectations.

Southgate has the highest win % in major tournaments of any previous England manager with one exception. Sir Alf Ramsey. Capello’s win ratio in major tournaments? 25%. Even Roy Hodgson had a solid win record in qualifications and friendlies. He hasn’t though, has he? We lost on penalties. The...

… We failed to beat to Algeria and the USA and scored 2 goals in our group. It was a shambles. I find it very interesting how you’re willing to let such an abject failure slide. Uruguay were ranked 6th after their World Cup run (leap frogging England). Before the World Cup (May 2010) they were...

In 2010, we wouldn’t have had to play Germany had we topped a Group consisting of Algeria, USA and Slovenia. From there, we would’ve had to play Ghana, Uruguay and the Netherlands to get to a final. Rather than Germany, Argentina and Spain… You (and others) can’t belittle Southgate and say ‘we...

Our team in 2018 was not worthy of a finalist spot. We had Young, Alli and Lingard as starting players. Croatia’s midfield was leagues better than ours. Rakitic and Modric were playing at the height of their careers. That’s where the game was won and lost and no reasonable person would say...

Did Southgate not inherit a bleak situation? Iceland and Costa Rica knocked us out of our last two major tournaments in 2014 and 2016. Why are you or anyone bothered by the Scotland result? It was a boring 0-0, but having beaten Croatia, a draw against Scotland guaranteed qualification. That...

He clearly does know how to win because he has the highest win % of any England manager with the exception of Sir Alf Ramsey. There’s a reason for our caution. Our defence really isn’t that good. Maguire and Stones as centre backs? Both good defenders, but not in the same plane as Campbell...

Not at all. Ultimately, he’s judged on major tournaments and we’ll see what happens this year. We didn’t ‘fuck up’ the final. We played the in-form team, best then in the first half and momentum switched and lost on penalties. Hardly a ‘fuck up’. That might be the case, and these last four...

Not sure how you can justify sacking a manager getting you to a final of a major tournament. You’re assuming Poch would even want the job. I highly doubt he would. There’s a reason we ended up with Southgate in the first place! Frankly, his major tournament record speaks for itself. ‘Better’...

Yeah because Poch has just done a marvellous job coaching PSG. Talking shite is calling for the sacking of a manager with about 3-4 games before the World Cup starts.

There’s no reasoning with you. I’m sure there’s a host of better managers who could take us further in major tournaments. Only took 22 years for someone to take us to a major tournament semi-finals… 55 to get To a finals. Too many fans have silly meltdowns every bad result we have. All that...

You’re talking absolute nonsense. Our team in 2018 was probably worse than Croatia and Italy were the form team in that tournament.

Can’t believe what I sat through tonight. Yes, no one cares about the Nations League but the performance was really embarrassing. Ultimately, there’s not too much to look into these fixtures. All that matter is that the team is primed for the World Cup, and Southgate has delivered at major...

You make it sound like signing 8-10 players in one window can be done cheaply. If it was that simple, I’m sure Robins would sign them. We’re still losing 4 million a year so not really sure what people want us to spend. If we at least broke even, maybe we could be a bit riskier.

Not a bad shout, but Shankland also turned out to not be all that at all…

Yes, but equally, none of us here (afaik) are scouts and know anything about football to the degree our recruitment team does. Some of the shouts made on this thread proves that. Probably my shout of Helik included!

Yes, and to get our team to that level, we need a good 2-3 seasons. Players like Gyo, COH and Hamer will at some point need to be sold and replaced. We spent years in L1/2, the team wasn’t going to ever be in a place to compete that high up the table after one season in the Championship. I’d...