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The definition of failing upwards.

Funny how the pundits were so scathing against England v Slovenia yet Portugal look just as bad and nothing… … The Ronaldo love in is cringeworthy. He’s an all time great but he’s arguably a hindrance to this Portugal team at this point.

Common ground at last! United in common delusion since living memory - nearly gave my age away there! 😉

In my delusional excitement, I view our run akin to Portugal’s 2016 run in. In theory, we should get to the final as the highest ranked team (on paper and in reality) and in that scenario we’d onlyneed to really turn up for the final against one of Germany, Spain, France and Portugal (or...

Why is that obvious if he stuck with Kitching > Binks consistently for most of the season? I get that Kitching was our player but with Binks making it obvious he wanted to come back and your intel in Jan… it’s not like there was an obvious advantage for favouring Kitching. I’m curious as to...

Definitely the two stand out performers so far and for that reason, I don’t believe any of them will win it. France were lucky tonight but feel they’d beat both Spain and Germany.

A mate of mine told me about this towards the end of the season but didn’t think it was plausible to be honest. Still shocked it’s actually happened!

You’re missing the point still. Firstly, was that England underachieved in probably all of the tournaments. We did not make it past the quarters in any tournament. Euros can be forgiven, perhaps, but not the World Cup where the format has not changed. 1) Had we won the group in 2002, we...

Some of us can read and want to learn about different eras of football. It’s just plain ignorance to dismiss someone else’s experience of the tournament. Especially when you hold a minority view. The consensus view is that the ‘golden generation’ should’ve achieved more.

Childish insults very much befitting your status as the more ‘mature’ person. We were the higher ranked team by your own admission so the line of argument doesn’t make sense from the get go.

Compare the two teams, how many would start for England in a combined 11? I’d give you Larsson, Melburg > Mills and Ljungberg. Take the nostalgia tinted glasses off - this isn’t even worth debating. You’re wrong and bringing age into it shows it.

Has nothing to do with the conversation, if you remember it so well, why was it ok to finish 2nd to Sweden in the Group? If you remember it so well, why do you not rue the missed opportunity of a relatively easy route to the final? The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

Have you looked at the route to the final had we won the group? Stop ignoring that fact. We would’ve played Senegal, Turkey and Germany to get the final. Now you’ll tell me that the Turkey and Senegal teams were in the cohort of great international teams. In 2010, we win the group we have to...

That’s such a nonsense and you know it. You make these arguments because you think it suits your narrative around Southgate. It doesn’t and really highlights just how much of a better tournament team we are under Southgate compared to others. If you remember 2002, we went 1-0 and lost to 10...

If you did a player v player comparison to this team and 2002-2010 era team, how many would start? Our defensive and midfield options aren’t as strong as people think. In international tournaments, these are the most important areas of the pitch.

What does this prove in your mind? That the team was failed multiple times? It’s like you prefer heroic failure to success.

They weren’t better than us and if a team of that calibre finished above us in the group this season you’d be (rightfully) fuming. We agree our record was poor against the top teams before Southgate. Therefore, the conclusion that if we change manager all will be well just doesn’t seem...

Why did we end up playing some of the those teams? We failed to win the group. In 2002 we came second to Sweden and 2010 2nd to the USA. Our team in 1998-2010 was genuinely great. Even compared to some of those other teams you mentioned and to have not made it past the quarters was a travesty.

What was our record against Top 10 teams pre-Southgate? We hadn’t won a KO game since 2006 before he took over. I’m sure beating Colombia and Germany in 2018 and 2020 were the highest ranked teams we’ve knocked out since Spain in 1996. Again, you compare Southgate to his predecessors and he...

It’s not great, friendlies are pretty meaningless. We’ve done well in such fixtures only to get battered when it mattered in tournaments. Beating Germany was a huge psychological win and I’d like us to meet and beat the Netherlands in the semis (providing we get past the Swiss) for another...