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Usually not very good for the first 20 either.

Didn't create nearly enough and that against a very poor defence. In fact, not only poor, but a team who have let in more goals at home than any other team in the division. That is most worrying. If we can't score away at Forest we'll be lucky if we get another goal away the rest of the season.

Doesn't have to be a winger though. Just a wide player with the ability to cross the ball.

Think he means possesion. That's nine tenths of the law that is.

Agree, we are setting up our stall incorrectly for away games.

Interestinly enough however, Thorn has said tiredness and fitness are not a factor for our woes. He totally refuted that when put to him.

See this is the other side of the coin in the moronic comments, Rich. Can you not see that. Tarring everyone with the same brush and making sweepinly generalised comments? 'another thing that makes you all unreasonable ' We are all unreasonable? All of us? No criticism of Thorn justified?

Would say the likes of yourself, Houchen's, Mustard, Macca etc. also try and be constructive and rational in your arguments against the manager. That's the way it should be. You will always get the odd 'Fuck off you're shit' comments. That is life. By the same token you also get people saying...

i like Fringe. Especially Anna Torv. :whistle:

YOU are talking about the morons, I am talking about the rational, reasonable posters. Can you not understand that?

But the manager is on the front line. It's always been that way. And everyone to a man on here accepts that Thorn has had his hands tied. No-one has said that he hasn't.

Exactly, thank you, Nick. We only had the players we had on Tuesday. There was nothing Thorn could do to change things. How then could there have been anything to criticise anyway? Only thing could have been lack of passion, motivation or spirit. Well we had loads of that in abundance.

Who said that? Stop jumping to conclusions. I didn't say that at all if you care to read my posts properly. You are talking about the minortiy morons, I am talking about the rational supporters.

Yes, some of the comments are a disgrace, Torchy. But as I say, that is a tiny minority. Cast your mind to Eric Black, even though we were winning games by 4, 5, or 6. Some people were still saying sack him and giving him abuse. It's not just Thorn. It's ALL managers.

You expect fans to abuse the manager when we win? :facepalm::facepalm: Seriously? When a team win fans look to the positives. When they lose they try and analyse the defeat and see where it went wrong. That's normal isn't it? For all fans, in every sport! That has nothing to do with...

Don't think many have small minds, MMM. Only a very small minority. Whos is saying every defeat is down to Thorn? Yesterday I blamed the players more so than Thorn, though I do think we set our stall out incorrectly from the off (keeping it tight and trying to command possession, rather than...

Well, yes, if there is to be a change of ownership for sure, then I can see what you are saying. You know something we don't? Word going round now is that Hoffman is waiting for administration. Can't see why on earth Sisu would go into administration though.

Rather OTT, MMM. Every time we lose is NOT down to Thorn. Everytime we win is NOT down to the opposition being poor. You think Middlesborough played well then? And Leeds? Leeds fans are saying that is their worst performance by a long chalk all season and Boro went down to 10 men for most of...

Can't see any problem at all analysing what the manager is saying, Rich. I did it for Coleman and Boothroyd and Dowie and Adams and Reid and Black and McAllister and Nillson and Strachan and Atkinson and Butcher and Gould and Neill and Howe and McKay and Sillett and Milne and ..... You...

No one with as much as an ounce of intelligence is going to have anything to do with this club while Sisu are in charge. Why would they? They are a hedge fund. Different people owning the club, then maybe. Pie in the sky idea with this lot in charge. Mind, I bet Sisu would totally love the...