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    General Election 2019 thread

    BSB you’re a bright guy and I appreciate you’re not a massive Corbyn fan but your obviously caught up in the same ‘blame everyone else’ bubble This manifesto was more left wing than 2017. I’m quoting labour MPs who have complained it was a wish list, economically illiterate etc etc An...
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    New Labour Leader

    I was talking about the list attached to the post Clint, as he was talking about the increase in public support. Didn’t see water on there
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    Film Thread 2019

    Just watched Bjorg v McEnroe on iplayer. Really good
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    General Election 2019 thread

    He’s a sensible guy, Kinnock and got it pretty much nailed on. I still can’t believe some (quite bright) labour supporters don’t appear to accept what even a growing number of their own MPs are saying as to the reasons why labour lost and the Tories won. I think it really does reflect changing...
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    New Labour Leader

    I don’t think nationalisation, in particular the railways, was ridiculed Dave. People, rightly, questioned the need to nationalise everything (rail, water, energy) and give free broadband to all...and then the suggestion it wouldn’t cost the man on the street any more. Even if you believe the...
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    General Election 2019 thread

    I’d said numerous time’s BSB that this half in half out rail situation needs resolution ie potentially even the gradual returning to public ownership (and would’ve received public support). My point was the ideological drive regarding the various matters listed (nationalisation of utilities...
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    General Election 2019 thread

    I don’t disagree. This half in half out just isn’t working for the public. The fact that prices are increased at the max amount they can every year (even when service has been poor) has never sat well with me either. I think because of the above, out of all potential nationalisations this is...
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    General Election 2019 thread

    As I’ve said there’s arguments for each of the policies if you ignore the negative implications ! I know the potential benefits of nationalisation ...but saying you would nationalise rail and utilities and give free broadband for all and there wouldn’t be a cost to the wider public is loony...
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    General Election 2019 thread

    Nationalisation of rail and all utilities, together with free broadband for all and saying only the super rich will pay is ‘hard left’/‘looney left’ So is taking 10% of private limited companies and giving them to employees. As was the underlying (longer term) threat to abolish all private...
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    General Election 2019 thread

    I would never try to argue that Brexit won’t have any negative impacts on the UK (at some point it has/will but hopefully businesses will adapt etc etc), however, from memory since the referendum vote the wage increases for the lower paid//‘working class’ have increased significantly (as a...
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    General Election 2019 thread

    Yep, those thick working class northerners will get what’s coming to them ! (Can’t find a rolleyes emoji) That PVA, has been the attitude of labour hierarchy and southern, more liberal, base, which is exactly why those traditional labour supporters have voted against the party they love/loved...
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    General Election 2019 thread

    A clever (but very smug) one Whats he said now Fernando ? (I can imagine...people like being lied to etc etc) ps yet I still have some weird addiction to listening to him !
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    General Election 2019 thread

    Exactly NW. If he fucks over the public and NHS he’ll quite rightly be voted out next time
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    General Election 2019 thread

    I hope we see a bit more of the real Johnson now so people can make a proper decision on him, good or bad. He was obviously kept well out of the way as he had a major fuck up in him ! Personally I don’t think he’s the evil right winger he’s been made out to be by some (lily and...
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    General Election 2019 thread

    The Lib Dem’s missed a massive opportunity in this election ! Mentioned earlier in response to NW that Johnson isn’t hard right and ERG will be under better control with a majority. Reshuffle will be interesting. With hindsight Johnsons previous cabinet picks were the correct people for the...
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    General Election 2019 thread

    To be fair to Blair it was the iraq war and his behaviour (money grabbing) post office that have lead to that public view. From memory he did have a positive impact especially early stages. Just seen some of Johnsons speech, where he was quite magnanimous about the labour heartland vote...
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    General Election 2019 thread

    It’s hard to strongly disagree as only time will tell I guess...:but even the principled Corbyn dropped his strong principles on EU....more of a Brexiteer than Johnson but was quite happy to dump on his core support to keep Momentum happy when he had a sniff of power !
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    General Election 2019 thread

    I don’t disagree that he’s not a huge euro sceptic but that scepticism has always been there (so has support of a close relationship/single market though !)
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    General Election 2019 thread

    Ps one massive area of concern is the increased SNP support but let’s just see how things are post the Alex Salmond case in the New year. Also, the fact is that there was no way they would’ve agreed to support Corbyn without another independence referendum during this parliament so again people...
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    General Election 2019 thread

    His reshuffle will be interesting NW. As many have tried to say, at heart he is relatively liberal (Osborne, who I have little time for, was saying last night that johnson is not a big advocate of small state either) yet others have tried to paint the picture that he’s a hard right, austerity...
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