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Worse players but a better team. Turner was in both IIRC. I stand by my point that I don’t think Eccles has played in much better teams. Closest was the PO side but that was two PL class players and a bunch making up the numbers with good spirit really.

I’d say we’re about Mickey Adam’s level TBF. But Coleman had some good players.

I mean you’ve even got opposition commentators and politicians saying these attacks are ridiculous:

Whereas right now we’re exceeding everyone expectations? :P

Ben Turner actually beat Man Utd in the cup. check mate.

Now he has. This was ages ago. Better teams is arguable. I think man for man the Coleman side was as good as we’ve got now.

This donor is already a lord, what more do you think he wants. Some people donate to political parties. If you want to stop that you need to find another way to fund them. It’s not about that though, because as I keep pointing out no one is actually talking about donations that may have...

Starmer isn’t going to quit and there’s no one with a power base to challenge him or precedent in the party for it. He’s here for five years unless he dies. His whole thing has been stability. I wish he’d sack Reeves but that’s not going to happen either.

Boris didn’t declare his donations though. That was the point, not the fact donations exist.

Labour don’t sack their leader when they lose they sure as hell aren’t going to do it when they win a landslide. Behave. You’ve been huffing too much tabloid from the looks of it.

How else do you fund campaigns?

Yeah it’s not perfect. Wouldn’t reflect mid term changes either really as locals are too hard to translate with only 1/3 each year. But if you want money out of politics it’s the only way. We can’t pretend borrowing a flat might lead to undue influence but taking £10m off someone won’t.

I’d pay everyone in politics more (and at the top a lot more. £1m+/yr for the PM isn’t unreasonable), give them the same rules around accepting gifts your average Tesco employee has to sign up for, and ban second jobs and demand stocks are put into trust during your tenure. Then give each party...

Genuinely if that was the convo I’d be on your side. And I agreed the initial story was poor optics while announcing austerity. But the football tickets, the use of a flat, the lending money for your terminally ill sister who you’ve known for 25 years? Just feels like a hatchet job at this...

Yeah I suspect cost is at the heart of it. Just the justice question of how you treat people who commit crimes due to serious mental illness. And also how you handle release of someone who is still presenting with that illness.

It needed pointing out.

What has Starmer done wrong? The Tories didn’t follow the rules or changed them where they didn’t like them. You know about Starmer because he declares literally everything according to the rules. There’s no accusation of corruption or rule breaking (aside from me keeping talking about YouTube...

I wonder how people would take to the Singapore approach which is to pay market rate for good people but ban all hints of corruption and financial influence. Their transport minister earns £800k/year.

As Andy said, it’s like we’ve just discovered the register of interests. Fine if we want to remove financial influence from politics, I’m all for it. But I can’t help but feel no one is asking for that because the two main parties would feel it the most.

Same problems isn’t it? At scale you can’t reproduce the very best practice because there’s just not that many quality people due to wages, has to pick up all the problems every other public health issue creates.