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£28m from the 5 original funds and £8m from Arvo.

I rounded up to make a point. It's 'only' £36m.

What is it - Management fee's or Administration cost? I suspect you believe they are the same?

Look here:

Ok, can I ask why you believe you're smarter than the auditors, both them who sign off the accounts and those on here who scrutinize the accounts in minute details? There's nothing in the cash-flow to suggest money goes to Sisu. You will need to produce hard evidence to show otherwise, else...

Give it up. No matter how hard you want sisu to be 'taking' money from the club, there's absolutely no evidence they have ever done that. And trust me, some very smart people have looked very, very hard for a smoking gun - without luck so far. It's a myth, so please drop it and concentrate on...

Most money they put in as loans. This has three purposes - 1) The money is still an asset in their accounts (or in their investor portfolio) until written off - 2) They can charge interests (yet they accrue the interest to the loans, they do not pull them out) - and 3) the debts acts as a...

Not one penny has gone from the clubs accounts to SISU. But around £40m has gone the opposite way into the clubs accounts.

My God - Management fee's again! This must be one of the most die hard myths that has ever roamed the internet. The clubs accounts are every year analyzed deeper than British Telecoms and explained in minute details - yet people still don't understand how it works.

We should sue sisu for neglect and mismanagement. It wouldn't stand a chance in court, but it would create a lot of attention. And it would be something they would have to react to.

Fisher is not an accountant - something at least I can relate to. So maybe - just maybe - he thinks in cash-flow reality and discard all the wizardry in depreciation, amortization and accrued interest. In that case it is possible to have a profit of £1m even if the accounts signed shows a...

I look at this quite differently. What kind of new owner would I want? One who can only pay £1 for the club or one who don't really care if the price is £10mio or even more? I prefer one who has the money to pay the price and with more to invest. That kind of owner want a club with a strong...

So starving CCFC isn't really hurting SISU?

CCFC is the trade name of Otium. So Otium and CCFC is one and the same. SISU owns most of the shares in Otium and is a separate company. If CCFC/Otium is liquidated then SISU lives on - they take a hit on the value of Otium/CCFC they have in their books, but if that value is very low, the hit is...

Does the stats include the match against Chesterfield?

I believe the original match date was Oct 8th.

He is! Organizing this forum where fans may unite. Nick is not a sheep or a sheep promoted to sheepdog. He is clearly capable of making up his own mind. At least respect that.

I think he said he hadn't taken out any money in 1½ year. Doesn't that coincide with him being 'promoted' from CEO to chairman? I wouldn't think chairman of CCFC is a full time job, so he wouldn't be entitled to much anyway. It's spin. Like when Mowbray said he 'waivered' compo when he...

I cannot. And if the Trust managed the club owned by the fans I couldn't either. That's my point. The 'fit & proper ownership' regulation sounds very good on paper, but will never work. It's nothing to do with our owners (present or future) - clubs all over the country have fans who believe...

Sisu are not nameless, faceless or anonymous. They represent the shareholders and act on their behalf. (We can agree that in retrospect they are not fit for purpose from the fans perspective, but that is beside the point). What if the Trust took over the club and financed it by issuing shares...