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I guess we could do it like voting in a GE in FPTP. Usually the party that gets 30% of the vote from 30% of the population gets to form a government. So lets get all the option down at once - second referendum, May's deal and no deal - and then whichever gets the most MP's voting for it, that's...

I'm not arguing that the Leave campaign was massively ambiguous and economical with the truth about what could and would be achievable. But it should've been set out as a clear two step process: 1. We leave the EU entirely and trade under WTO 2. After leaving we begin the process of negotiating...

But people like the ERG will say they haven't moved the goalposts. The referendum stated remain or leave, and leave meant no deal. Whether we later renegotiated a trade deal as a non-EU country is a different matter entirely. There was nothing in the referendum that stated we had to get a trade...

Exactly my point. Take out the people just moving to Brexit from UKIP and and you get 7.4% more votes than last time. Twice as much as Change, but with the Farage cult and his savvy media coverage they got far more exposure than Change, who got most of their coverage as the Independent Group...

So you're quite happily ignoring UKIP's performance, who themselves got absolutely mauled?

But they don't use the same constituency boundaries. And even though the map is pretty much totally coloured Brexit to believe that a GE would have the same result you're in a fantasy land. If you don't believe me look at the previous EU elections and the performance of UKIP. Then look at the...

Martcov: Bollocks! Angry people vote. Brexit parties got 5 more seats than 2014, remain got 20 more than 2014. Remain are angrier. Most people don’t want the snake oil salesman and charlatan as leader. Evo1883:No the fact is turnout in leave voting areas was down. That's not me making it up...

There is something that I didn't get with the PR voting system for EU elections. Why, when allocated a seat, is that parties voting percentage halved? It just seem massively arbitrary and not proportional. If you did that in a general election you'd get very skewed parliaments. If it's...

But doesn't that prove his point? If leave cared so much they'd have gone out and voted Brexit if for no other reason than to make their point they want to leave? Leave not turning out would also support the swing towards Remain parties from the established two being three times greater than...

I'm not saying there aren't a lot of fans who live in cloud cuckoo land, expecting owners to just throw money at the club indefinitely. Ashley's running of Newcastle is far preferable to the lunacy of a lot of the vanity projects. I'd even go so far as to say the running of CCFC on a day to day...

Having the powers and using them are different things though. They've made a small start with stuff like FFP, but that has been designed to have loopholes in.

Football needs to 'look at how it treats its owners', says EFL boss So the head of the EFL thinks it's the poor old owners being treated badly? Perhaps the EFL should spend more time making it so the game had a sustainable economic blueprint instead of sitting back as ridiculous transfer fees...

So, we should only look at individual swings in isolation to get the picture should we? OK, I choose to look at UKIP. Vehemently pro-Brexit, their share of the vote went down by 24.3% and they lost 24 seats (that's almost a third of all available seats). This therefore quite clearly shows that...

Yep. If this is pro-Brexit vs Pro-Remain that's what you do. UKIP and Brexit saw an overall swing of +7.4%. All the staunchly pro-Remain parties had a swing of +21%. You can go on about how Brexit did so well, but you can't then ignore how badly UKIP did. Most of the Brexit vote came from UKIP...

In seat numbers, UKIP lost 24 seats which we'll take as all going to Brexit. So that's 5 'new' Brexit seats to get to their total of 29. Remain parties had increases of 19 seats (Lib Dem +15, Green +4) or 20 if you add in SNP. The established parties (who campaigned at the GE for leaving the...

Well if you take the swing away from UKIP (-24.2%) as totally going to Brexit (who are essentially New UKIP) then that leaves 7.4% of Brexit's vote unaccounted for. Tories (probably the next most ardent leave party) had a swing of -14.8%. So that means only half of the lost Tory vote went to...

Trump is building an unsustainable boom designed to benefit the corporations and rich. It will implode and the average Joe will be absolutely fucked by it. I understand your stance on immigrants and old people paying in over the long term. I think those figures where immigrants pay in more than...

But why is the transfer of these millions of jobs the fault of the EU and immigration? They're moving for cheaper workers/production costs. By your own admission immigration brings down wages, so while taking some job you could argue they're helping keeping the manufacturing here by driving down...

I'm not convinced. I think the fact that they've been around for such a short time helped them last night - it didn't give enough time or get enough press coverage for the lunatics and racists to be revealed. A GE would do that. Plus Leavers want the right to make our own laws - why vote for a...

As I see it, the results show: - UKIP vote all went to Brexit - Leavers for Tory went Brexit - Remainers for Labour went Lib Dem or Green - I wouldn't read too much into this for a GE. It was a free hit protest vote because these MEP's are probably only going to be there a few months. - Farage...