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And a total reversal of logic again. If all parties wanted a ceasefire, why not simply vote for the SNP motion as proposed? Funny how no one who says the SNP are playing politics seems to be able to answer that very simple question.

You're supporting the side that were up in arms mate, it was Labour who couldn't get their arse in gear behind a ceasefire declaration. That's a matter of inconvenient fact I'm afraid. If it's not a big deal, as you keep saying, why not just support the SNP motion or allow a free vote on it...

Now I'm afraid you're making stuff up. Can you tell me, for example, which way Penny Morduant voted. Stephen Kelly? I'm honestly staggered that you think there's something more important than our government trying to have some influence on one of the biggest humanitarian crises of our times...

Just a couple of points, because of the chaos the motion wasn't really voted on... particularly by the government. And actually knowing where individual MPs stand is impossible to determine. Regardless, if it was as simple as everyone wanting a ceasefire, then why didn't the original SNP motion...

I don't understand this point of view at all, it's an absolute failure to understand how foreign policy works. We were involved at the start of this whole mess when Israel was established, we've got a seat on the UN security council and hence a permanent veto on their resolutions, we trade with...

Worrying. Could it be that Mark Francois is actually my brother from another mother? 😄

Not sure what they'd find, mate. If you've only got one brain cell to process with, I guess you can't afford to burden it with unnecessary emotions.

Speak for yourself, our kid! I've done plenty of things that I can justifiably feel ashamed of or embarrassed about, but voting Tory isn't one of them. 😁 In the meantime, back on topic, having stuck up for the SNP's right to raise their own motion on Gaza, it feels to me that refusing to accept...

Because it wasn't a "better motion" in their eyes, obviously. They called the debate because it's a cause they've been behind for a long time. Again it's a trap entirely and 100% of Labour's own making. Until very recently Labour couldn't even bring themselves to mention a ceasefire, let...

It doesn't "trap" Labour if Starmer doesn't set a policy that a lot of his own members and MPs don't agree with. This slavish devotion and determination to defend Starmer at all costs is odd. The SNP policy on this has been clear for some time, why shouldn't they put their motion before...

Opposition days are always non binding votes, I believe. If you can't see it's an issue that Labour created entirely for themselves then I suspect it's because you're looking at it with one eye closed. The SNP haven't suddenly shifted their principles on this to catch Labour out; that they've...

With apologies mate, that makes no sense to me. Either politics and where parties stand on things matters, or it doesn't. If it doesn't, then what the hell are you doing on this thread? One question. If Sunak came out tomorrow and said, the UK government's position on Gaza is that we couldn't...

Where's the trap? It was the SNP's opposition day and they tabled an amendment calling for a ceasefire. It's something they've been calling for for a while, and the situation in Gaza has become rather critical. Is it their fault that Labour under Starmer struggled with the issue. Labour trapped...

That's an odd take. The trap was entirely one of Labour's own making by dithering on the ceasefire issue and whipping their own MPs to vote against their consciences and the wishes of the majority of their constituents. The SNP, in fairness, has been clear on their opinion on the issue for...

Or it could be reasonably argued that the SNP believed in their own amendment and expected to be able to vote on it. I'm not sure it was just about embarrassing Labour originally, the SNP has been clear on its position for some time. Once it all went off though, then I'd agree that it became...

Anyone who watched the House of Commons in action tonight, would be utterly mystified. A critical debate on a vital foreign policy issue (calling for a ceasefire in Gaza) and all they really care about is scoring points off each other. Labour trying to dodge voting on the SNP amendment to...

Probably just worth restating that the loss of a single town after months of fighting and huge numbers of Russian casualties, is hardly the end for Ukraine. They haven't been routed, it seems they've fallen back to an established defensive line (see link below). Both sides are finding that...

I'm more than happy to apologise if I've descended into ad hominem attacks, we're all fans here after all, but please don't take my shoddy analogies away. 😁

And there, m'lud, rests the case for the defence. 😁

3D chess. If he bothered at all, it would be to support Starmer, because he thinks that the most destabilising mainstream force in British politics is the Tories (and he knows his support is a tombstone in the UK at least). Who he'd really like to see in power, of course, is Farage. Brexit...