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We've still got that barge, haven't we? 🙂 But yes, I'd guess that some current offenders are going to get out a bit earlier than they might've done. That's going to upset the far right.

I suppose the argument is, if it was racially motivated, why didn't they attack everyone else in the pub? Were they chanting, we hate whites/christians, or fuck the EDL? There's a difference. I also think racially motivated is a higher bar (and gets a longer sentence). It's obvious if you're...

Not to get sidetracked, but there are two types of electric bikes. The legal ones, that fat knackers like me would use. They're limited to about 15 mph then the motor kicks out. That's not much quicker than an average bike in truth. Then there are electric bikes that are far higher powered...

There's hope then. I want to see that little shit on the ANPR THIS illegal electric bike in front of the beak in short order too. I doubt he's escaped plod's notice. I think he might be looking for new wheels after a little breather in youth custody when they catch up with him. And they will...

Sounds like you need to join a union mate. Shall I send you an application form. 😁

Count Binface would've been a better pick than Vance. I suppose if Trump picked someone normal, it would just make him look even weirder by comparison. Apparently Republicans don't like him being called weird, so that's going to stick, I think.

Do you get a bonus if you can tip us into using the c-word? 😄

Over here we've got wheelie bins. In the U.S. there are 400 million guns, give or take. If I was Musk, I'd be a bit more careful about stoking civil war. He might want to read up on French (or Russian, or Chinese) history, and see how it worked out for the rich and pampered.

Just in terms of policing numbers in general, it's a lot lower than people realise. Put it this way, if there's a moderately serious incident in Coventry, not a riot, just standard police stuff, and another one comes in at the same time, they'll be stretched. One or two cars have to cover a...

They were there, Nick. There was at least one van there from very early on. What they weren't, was visible. That bit I can't answer. It could be they had loads of officers just around the corner (not unusual in public order situations) or it could be that they actually thought it would pass...

And the problem is, the police have to take all of those threats seriously, and allocate resources. Then if some knob posts something about attacking a mosque, there's the reaction from the other side to try to cover too. It's a nightmare for the police, I still think getting a lid on social...

Anyway, without getting pulled back into this today, is that what would be helpful would be the police in Birmingham explaining why they were so low profile. I don't believe two tier policing is really a thing. When you're substantially outmanned, the job is always going to be to contain rather...

Not quite with you mate. Is that the Hareshill thing again, you mean?

Hareshill: This is literally the verbatim response of the Police Officer with thirty years experience of public order: "The circumstances in Harehills were very different. “It started out looking like a standard call that many officers will go to, an incident at an address with social services...

God knows, they were probably too rough for @MalcSB in all of the places where they tried to control the far right rioters/dancers. The fact is though, that the police all over the country have been overstretched by the need to try to control and prevent the far right arseholes from violence...

No, no, the police were there, trying to stop the far right dickheads. You were literally banging on just a minute ago about how they were too rough. Remember?

Which bit do you differ with, exactly? I'd hate it to be thought that you're just having an incoherent whine at policing and couldn't actually back up your argument.

In the meantime, an explainer on two-tier policing. Most of this I agree with, but what happened in Birmingham last night still didn't look right to me. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/06/england-riots-two-tier-policing-myth-widespread

For anyone missing the irony, unemployment was at about 5% in 1979, climbed to 11% by the mid 80s, and never got back to 70s levels until the early noughties. https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/unemployment/timeseries/mgsx/lms Not entirely sure what this has to do...

I've got to say that I don't really understand the seeming absence of the police last night in Brum, at least when things started to get ugly. It can't be easy when you're clearly outnumbered, but letting them get near the pub seems like a real failure to me. It's an obvious flashpoint. It all...