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Eccles has done nothing but give the ball away so far - I would’ve played Torp that last chance was his fault for giving the ball away and forcing MVE to have to run the whole length of the pitch back

BTA eventually did very well there

it’s unreasonable they couldn’t play a full season without getting tired - we had a shot at the playoffs again last season then the poor form began

twice doesn’t indicate a ‘track record’

give it a few more games this season we’ll have nothing to play for - does that mean it’s acceptable to down tools and accept it? (Nick this is backing up your point)

It’s not fact - ok let’s go back further, where’s the track record? 2 seasons is hardly it

and yet you don’t answer any of the questions you yourself pose - you’ve offered no reason why other than it’s your opinion… I’m almost convinced you’re on the wind up! So what does he have to achieve by Christmas in your eyes?

what track record is that? show your workings please….

you’re making things up again to suit your agenda - where is the venom? also if it’s the first genuine crisis, what has he turned around before if they weren’t also crises? we are fourth from bottom - a loss on Tuesday against QPR and we’re in there, with a quarter of the season gone, and...

this is XG after 46 games, or 49 in the case of So’ton, so not entirely relevant to the situation at the minute

I would 100% agree with you on the basis I watched the game, but like I say the stats say different, and if you’re arguing that our XG means we are in a false position you also need to accept that, on the basis of the stats alone, we didn’t deserve anything from the game the ‘goal’ was a goal...

we did if you’re quoting and relying on stats you can’t use them only when it suits Evo, that’s not how it works

well I’m pretty sure that’s what is being debated here….. but one thing is for sure the form we have been showing for most of this year would indicate there needs to be something drastic to turn it round

Ok - I hope you’re right

I think last season would’ve been forgotten if results had been different - they aren’t a burning issue, just a continuation of the poor form into this season, which has highlighted them further in terms of form they are completely significant, like I say if we had come out of the blocks this...

I’ll accept reasoned arguments, sure but the clubs I mentioned (other than maybe Scunthorpe) he had time and it was more towards the end where he struggled, not where he hadn’t had the time to build his own team the first season back in the championship was always going to be a season of...

and then scupper any replacement’s chance of doing anything worthwhile in the January transfer window?

sorry, you’ve added another criteria that wasn’t part of my statement so even when I say he wasn’t great at Barnsley Huddersfield or Scunthorpe you’ll try and point to the strength or otherwise of the squad…

we only had one shot on goal…so best case it would’ve been 1-1 that’s like saying if we hadn’t conceded 2 against Sheffield Wednesday, or if we’d scored another against Watford

probably the most sensible post on here this evening…