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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The influx of labour under FOM also helped the UK economy massively. You won’t be mentioning that though.
  2. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No, I don’t suppose you would.
  3. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No. Dealing with the crisis in 2008 saved the day. UKIP had the mandate to represent the UK in the EU and failed miserably. The result is the mess we are in.
  4. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Deny it and it will go away.
  5. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I’d place Juncker as much cleverer than our resident buffoon.
  6. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Do you think being out of the Euro increased our influence? Do you think UKIP used their seats to make the UK more powerful in the EU? Do you think the world‘s 5th largest economy isn’t a major player?
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    He is relaunching himself and saying things that please his base even talking about the deep state recently. Now where did he pull that term out of? Who pushes that line?
  8. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Well we are. Leavers say we are. I say we are in the top three in Europe. Had we had a different government to the Tories and had we not wasted a chunk of our MEP allocation on useless counter productive UKIP tossers, we would have a leader in Europe. Being out of the Euro marginalised is a bit...
  9. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    That wasn’t an answer to the question I asked. Some people still have wet dreams over BoJos statements and speeches. I would trust Corbyn more than the previously mentioned charlatans. I am not a fan though.... unless he gets us a second vote on the disaster.
  10. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I didn’t because I know that it won’t be better than being in the CU and SM and being a major power in the EU.
  11. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Yes. The preparations that we are taking for a cock up. The extra red tape and controls. The weak hand we have in trade negotiations as a distressed trading partner. The lack of products we could sell much more of in a FTA with the USA. The lack of competitiveness with the USA agriculture...
  12. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Would you say people have seen through BoJo, Davis , Gove and Rees Mogg? Or haven’t they twigged what’s going on yet?
  13. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    He mentioned helping African farmers through Brexit. 1. there are no tariffs on the 50 poorest nations 2. what about our farmers 3. if the Africans do export their crops to us, where do the African poor buy their food? Do I think BoJo is interested in African farmers? No. He is just trying to...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Latest update on this subject: „On 20 March 2018, the European Parliament and the Council reached agreement on the revision of the posting of workers directive. This agreement was subsequently endorsed by the European parliament on 29 May 2018 and on 21 June 2018 by the Council. The main...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    These were the anticipated EU offers: „If Leave wins, Britain’s partners are likely to offer just three options: the Norwegian model of the European Economic Area (EEA); the Canadian model of a free trade agreement (FTA); and the rules of the World Trade Organisation (WTO). The EU doesn’t want...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Originally they were offered the options as here suggested: If Leave wins, Britain’s partners are likely to offer just three options: the Norwegian model of the European Economic Area (EEA); the Canadian model of a free trade agreement (FTA); and the rules of the World Trade Organisation (WTO)...
  17. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    No. The deal May negotiated. The EU offered alternatives early on. But May said no CU and no SM saying that is what was voted for.
  18. M

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    May drew the red lines at the beginning. The EU didn’t offer this deal. She negotiated it within her red lines. No one likes it.if she wants to go further it means dropping her own red lines. Then she will be accused of weakness. Snookered.
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    The EU workers rights are a guarantee. If the UK has more rights than what are guaranteed then good. The EU is not forcing them to be reduced. We don’t have zero hours contracts here in Germany and working hours are stricter regulated. Where do you get that they can be reduced below the...
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    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    I haven’t read your links, but I know what they will be. I’ll read them later. The table is metaphorical. It is an expression which has been used in this debate. It means sitting at a table with 27 other countries of the EU in the council, MEPs in the parliament, an EU commissioner in the...
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