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Absolutely. You don't get thrown out of your professional society for failing. You get thrown out because of how you've handled the failure. It's an honour/integrity/ethics thing. Is there a reason you're making excuses for the bloke? He might well be a lovely chap - but having had more...

Wasps, cup game in 2007. Attendance 21,506. Not 28,000. A very substantial away following as well, given it was against Munster. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/7082811.stm If they don't trouble themselves to research the basics, then what hope is there.

As torchy's point above really - I don't think petitions necessarily reflect the true volume or depth of feeling. But if you look at their boards, they read an awful lot like our boards when we moved to Northampton. And we know how popular that move was with our fans

Please tell me you're not using the 'nomadic team' bullshit as a cover for this. That's pathetic. Man up and just admit that you don't care about Wasps fans, I've got more respect for that point of view. And who says the FL wouldn't allow CCFC to move again. You're kidding yourself -...

The response I've just received from a councillor, in reply to my email sent prior to the vote. I've stripped out the names, but looking at the original document properties, and the style of writing employed, I think that this is a generic letter that everyone who emailed a councillor will be...

Fair enough - appreciate the honesty. However, our owners said they moved to Northampton for commercial reasons. They may yet do so again. What right do you have to complain about either move if you're supporting Wasps in this?

In fairness, I think plenty of Wasps fan mind. Put yourself in their shoes and go read their boards. But the point you've made is the key one - if you're happy to let this through or support it because it's "just business", then you can't complain when a team you do care about gets shafted.

Absolutely agree. I think my concern (other than the ethics of franchising), is that actually this deal is more likely to damage the club in the long term.

Off the top of my head, RICS (Chartered Surveyor). If you google him it comes up - the benefit of having an unusual name. Edit: Beaten to it, as usual.

Because of Byng's history (expelled from his professional organisation), he is the one man who actually would not qualify under FL rules as a fit and proper person to be a director of the football club. That tells me all I need to know really.

Ah, would that were true. If that was the case neither MK Dons nor Wasps would get any support.

Alias Smith & Jones is back on freeview, fwiw. I'm afraid that the best theme tune for a Western series is Bonanza though, there simply is no argument on that one, sorry. ;) And best western series, Kung Fu, surely? OK, well it was set in the Old West. Every action film ever made can...

Northampton and Leicester may have similar concerns. The point is that they are not right on our doorstep, and they haven't been franchised in overnight. Do you really think Wasps are any more concerned about CRFC or CCFC than those teams are? Obviously Wasps would like CCFC as a tenant, to...

They're a franchise club now. They've made their decision about where they stand, I'd have no issue with this personally. Every time a franchise club is damaged or broken, people will think twice about trying it again.

I've defended Higgs to the hilt here and elsewhere previously, but unless I've badly misread this I think the only reason CCFC Ltd are being offered the option is because it's a legal requirement for Higgs to do so. They've already agreed to sell to Wasps if the option isn't taken, and they're...

Fairness to who, mate? To Wasps? F*ck em! They don't give a sh*t about anyone other than themselves - they don't even care about their own fans. To Higgs? I don't think this actually impacts them at all - but again at the point they decided to get into bed with a franchise they made their...

If the loan has been continued into ACL, then wouldn't the 50% shareholding in effect give them that liability without further transfer of cash? If it hasn't and as part of the sale of the Council share the loan has been split of separately to another part of Wasps, or even paid off completely...

I'm not sure Monners was calling you mischievous Jan, I think he was saying that he'd broadly posted something the same as you. I could be wrong though! :) And I'd agree - it would seem to make far more sense to pick up half of ACL from Higgs were it possible, than go for a new "Stadium...

I'm sure there's a point you're trying to make here, but it escapes me. If you can send over your bank account details though, I'll be happy to oblige. Edit: Scratch that. I've got it. The problem is that you can't read properly and you think I've said that this has happened rather than...

Not being funny, but where exactly does it say that? Everything I've read regarding this deal has either been vague or as today's revelation turned out wrong. What's been said that I can recall is that Wasps have taken on the mortgage (less £1m, possibly) - have they done that through ACL, or...