Crisis Point (1 Viewer)

rupert_bear

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That's were we are now in my opinoin, crisis point, at atleast three levels, first the manager has proved without doubt now he is painfully out of his depth, tactically being constantly outsmarted, team selection bemusing at times, after match comments bizzare and a number of players, despite his recent denials suspiciously not on board or tuned in to his ways..A released player unable to get a sniff of our depleted squad, leaves, plays and scores the winner for a rival, okay that doesn't make Billy Daniels the next Llionel Messi but surely begs the question why hardly a sniff of a game here. Pressley looks to me as if when lying in bed he dreams up a system and team selection on a whim hoping it works and if it doesn't oh dear what do I do next ! and is now starting to jibber when interviewed, I think sooner or later will have a real paddy on the microphone.

Secondly the squad, in terms of numbers getting dangerously short any sort of injury crisis and we could well in the shite. We are only signing players already here, so no increase in personel we have senior players loaned out, then come back, play one week and score, dumped the next, the lack of man management so obvious.

Third , the ownership situation. Just who is pulling the strings on this one ? A year or so ago Joy Sepalla not only admitted in interview not having a clue about football but also didn't know Coventry City Football Club was part of her sisu portfolio so it seems obvious to me she relies on those charged with running the football club on her companies behalf, Tim Fisher and Steve Waggott who I suspect hand her financial figures to back up their policies.
So how can things improve ? well firstly this so called sisu out group need to gather momentum, come out of the shadows and explain who they are, who they might represent, if they represent anybody that is and any future plans they might have. People/fans will support but do need to know more. It seems only the few on here and GMK know of them. We needs to get to Sepalla and try and educate her football clubs can succeed if run correctly, Southampton being the most obvious example and yes I know they are carrying debt, most clubs do but have obviously been run differently to us. As many I am in the sisu out camp as I see no way forward presently, but it might be that just convincing Sepalla to replace Fisher and Waggott asap and bring in people with different and provern methods of running a football club, both were provern failures at Charlton Athletic, does she know this ?.

Back to the playing side. This current squad is good enough to win more games than it is and be atleast mid table and above, we aren't and relegation as we stand is very real, then what. I shiver when I look at the second division table and see Tranmere Rovers fighting it out in the bottom three, they were flying in this division not that long ago, that's where we are heading at the minute, a sobering thought !
 

WestEndAgro

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Every time we hit crisis point, we seem to nick a win, which inturn papers over the cracks, and buys Presley more time, so on this basis I expect a win next time out.
and a repeat of the above cycle
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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Every time we hit crisis point, we seem to nick a win, which inturn papers over the cracks, and buys Presley more time, so on this basis I expect a win next time out.
and a repeat of the above cycle

But it's so much more than purely Pressley. This feels right now like the Thorn witch hunt. Yes, significant manager culpability; but when - as I did a few years back - try to suggest that the management of the club above Thorn could be culpable too, then you get called an apologist. This feels exactly the same. Where is the guidance, management and input from Sepalla, Waggott and Fisher now? What are they doing - now - to change a downward spiral on and off the pitch that's leading toward another relegation?
 

Covcraig@bury

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Every time we hit crisis point, we seem to nick a win, which inturn papers over the cracks, and buys Presley more time, so on this basis I expect a win next time out.
and a repeat of the above cycle
Next time you post please put the 2nd s in Pressley, as the WUM grammar cops will pull you up !!!
 

skybluetony176

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But it's so much more than purely Pressley. This feels right now like the Thorn witch hunt. Yes, significant manager culpability; but when - as I did a few years back - try to suggest that the management of the club above Thorn could be culpable too, then you get called an apologist. This feels exactly the same. Where is the guidance, management and input from Sepalla, Waggott and Fisher now? What are they doing - now - to change a downward spiral on and off the pitch that's leading toward another relegation?

Exactly. The club is Toxic from top to bottom and needs to be decontaminated before any long term success is possible. The club simply doesn't have an environment that promotes success on any level.
 

jas365

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But it's so much more than purely Pressley. This feels right now like the Thorn witch hunt. Yes, significant manager culpability; but when - as I did a few years back - try to suggest that the management of the club above Thorn could be culpable too, then you get called an apologist. This feels exactly the same. Where is the guidance, management and input from Sepalla, Waggott and Fisher now? What are they doing - now - to change a downward spiral on and off the pitch that's leading toward another relegation?

I posted in another thread a few days ago about how new owners could make a difference. One of the things I said was that the club could be run a lot better from the top down. A tight ship with better organisation eventually filters down on to the pitch. At the moment the club is a shambles.

Oh and by the way, Fisher isn't available to talk to any more as he's spending all his time on the new stadium.
 

ccfc1234

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But it's so much more than purely Pressley. This feels right now like the Thorn witch hunt. Yes, significant manager culpability; but when - as I did a few years back - try to suggest that the management of the club above Thorn could be culpable too, then you get called an apologist. This feels exactly the same. Where is the guidance, management and input from Sepalla, Waggott and Fisher now? What are they doing - now - to change a downward spiral on and off the pitch that's leading toward another relegation?

Can't agree I am afraid to say: SISU are dreadful yes, but SP signs the players, coaches the players and decides the team and tactics. On all levels he has been so woeful he has to go. Yes he is operating under tough circumstances. But he is his own worse worst enemy when he picks Nouble on the wing and signs players like Tudgay and the other 16 that have mainly gone on to be failures.
 

Warwickhunt

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Can't agree I am afraid to say: SISU are dreadful yes, but SP signs the players, coaches the players and decides the team and tactics. On all levels he has been so woeful he has to go. Yes he is operating under tough circumstances. But he is his own worse worst enemy when he picks Nouble on the wing and signs players like Tudgay and the other 16 that have mainly gone on to be failures.
does SP sign the players? In fact I don't think he picks them either and probably works on a remit of giving waggalot a position he needs filling!
 

WestEndAgro

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But it's so much more than purely Pressley. This feels right now like the Thorn witch hunt. Yes, significant manager culpability; but when - as I did a few years back - try to suggest that the management of the club above Thorn could be culpable too, then you get called an apologist. This feels exactly the same. Where is the guidance, management and input from Sepalla, Waggott and Fisher now? What are they doing - now - to change a downward spiral on and off the pitch that's leading toward another relegation?

I agree, it's not just Pressleys fault, all I was alluding to was the point, that he seems to nick a win when he appears to be one defeat from the sack.
 

westofrayne

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Until we hit rock bottom the freefall will continue.

new manager ? Yes, it might help in the next few games, maybe keep us up, but the whole team will be sold or leave in the summer and the whole sorry cycle will start again. No money, loans, free agents, anybody with value sold.

New owners, firstly SISU have to accept an offer, if they want to recover what they alledge they have put in or even part of it then it wont happen, who in their right mind would pay for this club?

Would the value of the club change much in L2? Not really, what about Conf, Conf Sth/Nth?? Not that much, still nobody would pay anything for it. As we go down the league's SISU would set the budget accordingly so as to be cash flow neutral after paying them a portion of outstanding loans.

Fastforward 3 years, at bottom of Conf heading for Conf Sth/Nth, fans either given up or resigned to next drop, but still no sale of club as nobody will pay the millions SISU want.

Have we hit rocrock bottobottom then? NO

As fans, do support the team and pray? Sorry but the team are not good enough as a group, we have all said it over the last 6 months. Do we boycott, yes it will hurt SISU, but they will sell to recover money. So no change.

How do we solve this issue, sorry but we as fans can't, somebody has to be willing to part with millions to buy something that is worthless and then be prepared to build a ground and finance an upwards spiral, being prepared to lose 50+ million in the process.

ANYBODY KNOW THIS PERSON?
 

bigfatronssba

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The team might not be Pressley's fault, but it is his responsibility. If he feels he can't put together a competitive team with the resources he has then he needs to stand aside and let someone else have a go.
 

chiefdave

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I think realistically you have to address them as three separate points.

SP first, he has to go as far as I am concerned. We are told we have a decent budget for this league yet look where we are. We have opposition mangers and experts on the radio questioning why we are doing so badly with the squad we have and his tactics. Many players leave under a cloud and players frozen out or surplus to requirements move on and do better elsewhere, often at a higher level. That's not making him a scapegoat, it's him not performing to an acceptable level. By not sacking him I fear we are sleepwalking into L2.

The issues with the squad come down to SP or SW, or both of them. To get a true picture of this you'd need information we don't have. If, as he has claimed, SP is making the decisions on who comes in and who goes out then the blame lies with him. However if it is SW then you have to question his role here, especially as he selected SP as manager.

Finally SISU. Not sure what we can do here, they can sit in a holding pattern of just about breaking even and hope that something odd happens at some point that gives them a viable exit strategy. What we don't know is what they actually want to leave. There's no way they can imagine they are ever going to get all their money back so what would be acceptable to them. It's all well and good jumping up and down and saying we want them out but we need a way that can be achieved and I fear that will only be if we can find a potential new owner who is prepared to pay them an amount they deem acceptable.
 

spider_ricoh

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I spoke with Tim Fisher for a few minutes at the train station yesterday after the game - we had left the ground on the final whistle and he was on the platform before us so he must have scarpered sharpish...that said, he had to wait a good while for his train so I presume he also wanted to get out of there ASAP.He seemed properly pissed off and said he "couldn't understand how we could throw it away like that - from being in control in the first half to that second half performance was unbelievable. Basically said the squad is not delivering and that the associated costs of loans have swallowed up more money than you would think, hence accounting for some of the Wilson money being reinvested. I made the point that it's not the fact of re-investing the money that fans want to see, but reinvesting in it successfully to ensure a winning side. He just shrugged at this. Crucually, when I asked him about SP he said "Steven Pressley is a long term prospect. But for the plan to work in the long term, it also has to work in the short term." He may have been trying to play the "don't blame me, I agree that's it's crap" so as to not have to defend himself, but if so he was doing a very good impression of a man seriously unimpressed with what he had seen.On the new stadium he simply said that they are working with agencies to find the right sort of land but they only keep getting offered unsuitable sites, hence no progress. When I said that fans already unwhelmed with the Rico's "hard to get to" location might not attend a ground further out, he said that the key is accessibility i.e. that a new site could be more accessible despite being further away. The new site with definitely not be in the city of Coventry due to the relationship with CCC (or lack of). I also asked him whether the club can do a deal with Wasps to secure a longer term tenancy in exchange for some of Wasps' revenues but he was doubtful: "Wasps need all the revenues they can get". Depressingly, he also brought up the recent comments from Ann Lucas and said he wants these included in the legal action.
 

mrtrench

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I spoke with Tim Fisher for a few minutes at the train station yesterday after the game - we had left the ground on the final whistle and he was on the platform before us so he must have scarpered sharpish...that said, he had to wait a good while for his train so I presume he also wanted to get out of there ASAP.He seemed properly pissed off and said he "couldn't understand how we could throw it away like that - from being in control in the first half to that second half performance was unbelievable. Basically said the squad is not delivering and that the associated costs of loans have swallowed up more money than you would think, hence accounting for some of the Wilson money being reinvested. I made the point that it's not the fact of re-investing the money that fans want to see, but reinvesting in it successfully to ensure a winning side. He just shrugged at this. Crucually, when I asked him about SP he said "Steven Pressley is a long term prospect. But for the plan to work in the long term, it also has to work in the short term." He may have been trying to play the "don't blame me, I agree that's it's crap" so as to not have to defend himself, but if so he was doing a very good impression of a man seriously unimpressed with what he had seen.On the new stadium he simply said that they are working with agencies to find the right sort of land but they only keep getting offered unsuitable sites, hence no progress. When I said that fans already unwhelmed with the Rico's "hard to get to" location might not attend a ground further out, he said that the key is accessibility i.e. that a new site could be more accessible despite being further away. The new site with definitely not be in the city of Coventry due to the relationship with CCC (or lack of). I also asked him whether the club can do a deal with Wasps to secure a longer term tenancy in exchange for some of Wasps' revenues but he was doubtful: "Wasps need all the revenues they can get". Depressingly, he also brought up the recent comments from Ann Lucas and said he wants these included in the legal action.

Thanks for this - it's good to know that he gives a shit. I had started to doubt even that.
 

Gazolba

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Until we hit rock bottom the freefall will continue.

As fans, do support the team and pray? Sorry but the team are not good enough as a group,

I disagree. The players are definitely good enough for L1 individually. This has been proven by the players who have left and done well elsewhere. The problem is Pressley cannot make the best of the players he has available. His team selections are poor as are his tactics. Granted, he has signed a large number of duds but you would see entirely different performances from these players with a good manager.
 

jas365

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I spoke with Tim Fisher for a few minutes at the train station yesterday after the game - we had left the ground on the final whistle and he was on the platform before us so he must have scarpered sharpish...that said, he had to wait a good while for his train so I presume he also wanted to get out of there ASAP.He seemed properly pissed off and said he "couldn't understand how we could throw it away like that - from being in control in the first half to that second half performance was unbelievable. Basically said the squad is not delivering and that the associated costs of loans have swallowed up more money than you would think, hence accounting for some of the Wilson money being reinvested. I made the point that it's not the fact of re-investing the money that fans want to see, but reinvesting in it successfully to ensure a winning side. He just shrugged at this. Crucually, when I asked him about SP he said "Steven Pressley is a long term prospect. But for the plan to work in the long term, it also has to work in the short term." He may have been trying to play the "don't blame me, I agree that's it's crap" so as to not have to defend himself, but if so he was doing a very good impression of a man seriously unimpressed with what he had seen.On the new stadium he simply said that they are working with agencies to find the right sort of land but they only keep getting offered unsuitable sites, hence no progress. When I said that fans already unwhelmed with the Rico's "hard to get to" location might not attend a ground further out, he said that the key is accessibility i.e. that a new site could be more accessible despite being further away. The new site with definitely not be in the city of Coventry due to the relationship with CCC (or lack of). I also asked him whether the club can do a deal with Wasps to secure a longer term tenancy in exchange for some of Wasps' revenues but he was doubtful: "Wasps need all the revenues they can get". Depressingly, he also brought up the recent comments from Ann Lucas and said he wants these included in the legal action.

They keep telling us they have identified 2 (or is it 3) possible sites :facepalm:
 

wingy

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I spoke with Tim Fisher for a few minutes at the train station yesterday after the game - we had left the ground on the final whistle and he was on the platform before us so he must have scarpered sharpish...that said, he had to wait a good while for his train so I presume he also wanted to get out of there ASAP.He seemed properly pissed off and said he "couldn't understand how we could throw it away like that - from being in control in the first half to that second half performance was unbelievable. Basically said the squad is not delivering and that the associated costs of loans have swallowed up more money than you would think, hence accounting for some of the Wilson money being reinvested. I made the point that it's not the fact of re-investing the money that fans want to see, but reinvesting in it successfully to ensure a winning side. He just shrugged at this. Crucually, when I asked him about SP he said "Steven Pressley is a long term prospect. But for the plan to work in the long term, it also has to work in the short term." He may have been trying to play the "don't blame me, I agree that's it's crap" so as to not have to defend himself, but if so he was doing a very good impression of a man seriously unimpressed with what he had seen.On the new stadium he simply said that they are working with agencies to find the right sort of land but they only keep getting offered unsuitable sites, hence no progress. When I said that fans already unwhelmed with the Rico's "hard to get to" location might not attend a ground further out, he said that the key is accessibility i.e. that a new site could be more accessible despite being further away. The new site with definitely not be in the city of Coventry due to the relationship with CCC (or lack of). I also asked him whether the club can do a deal with Wasps to secure a longer term tenancy in exchange for some of Wasps' revenues but he was doubtful: "Wasps need all the revenues they can get". Depressingly, he also brought up the recent comments from Ann Lucas and said he wants these included in the legal action.
But we're down to two sites aren't we and the two chaps on the SCG who toddled along to that board meeting know the one......don't they omg

Edit ;-sorry never read jaz's post
 
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martcov

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With reference to the conversation, I have to admire his (TF) guts in face of the decline of CCFC ( and possible dissatisfied customers ) and fair play to him for discussing the problems. Shows he is not a machine. At the end though, it seems as if he is as frustrated as we are. There is no suitable site for the stadium and Pressley is long term, but with the get out, that the plan "has to work short term" ( in other words - anything can happen ).

League 2 here we come. Never been so down ( with CCFC ). Not a glimmer of hope.
 

martcov

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well, there's a surprise.

I thought the JR was now a separate issue - nothing to do with CCFC/ Otium. I wish that TF, as Chairman of CCFC/Otium, would stick to solving CCFC's problems and leave the JR to Joy and her staff.
 

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