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Otis

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Sisu have clearly said they are not staying and won't stay and have constantly and consistently said they are moving out and into a new stadium.

I cannot see what the fuss is about. Wasps to my mind should rip out every sky blue seat and replace them and demote the CCFC badge to that of a bit part player.

As I say, our owners have said they are not staying. I am not ouraged or indeed surprised and for me the Sixfields move was a thousand times worse. When we moved there the talk still was of us not coming back. 'That ship has sailed' if you recall.

If we didn't come back to the Ricoh I think we would have been at Northampton for a number of seasons. Sixfields was 34 miles away in a different county. I don't see how this can possbly be worse. We are playing in Coventry and let's not forget that.

Surely people aren't suggesting that playing 34 miles away is a better situation than playing in our home city?

I have no problem at all now with any of this. Sisu have quite clearly stated time and time again that we are not staying at the Ricoh anyway.
We are going. Wasps should therefore change the seats, move the badges, rename the stands and bars and do as they please.

The right and proper thing to do.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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Sisu have clearly said they are not staying and won't stay and have constantly and consistently said they are moving out and into a new stadium.

I cannot see what the fuss is about. Wasps to my mind should rip out every sky blue seat and replace them and demote the CCFC badge to that of a bit part player.

As I say, our owners have said they are not staying. I am not ouraged or indeed surprised and for me the Sixfields move was a thousand times worse. When we moved there the talk still was of us not coming back. 'That ship has sailed' if you recall.

If we didn't come back to the Ricoh I think we would have been at Northampton for a number of seasons. Sixfields was 34 miles away in a different county. I don't see how this can possbly be worse. We are playing in Coventry and let's not forget that.

Surely people aren't suggesting that playing 34 miles away is a better situation than playing in our home city?

I have no problem at all now with any of this. Sisu have quite clearly stated time and time again that we are not staying at the Ricoh anyway.
We are going. Wasps should therefore change the seats, move the badges, rename the stands and bars and do as they please.

The right and proper thing to do.

As a fan it was probably harder to see when they left for Northampton but the longer term implications of the council selling the Ricoh to Wasps and giving them a 250 year lease is far worse then a temporary year at Sixfields.

Wasps can do whatever they like as they own it, doesn't mean we should be happy about it. From a Wasps point maybe it would make sense to rip out the seats and replace them, but as a CCFC fan it would be absolutely gutting if they replaced all the seats with black and gold seats whilst we were still there and I don't understand how any ccfc fan would endorse it and say that they should do it.
 

Nick

Administrator
Of course, Wasps own it they can do whatever they want with it. I just don't see why they bullshit about it when coming in?
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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Otis common sense.
Unlikely to go down well though

Saying they should rip out and replace all the seats is common sense? Maybe it makes sense for a Wasp fan to say such a thing and maybe it makes sense from a Wasps perspective to do it. But for a CCFC fan to say they should do it, that makes no sense at all.
 

Silence_Is_The_Enemy

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Saying they should rip out and replace all the seats is common sense? Maybe it makes sense for a Wasp fan to say such a thing and maybe it makes sense from a Wasps perspective to do it. But for a CCFC fan to say they should do it, that makes no sense at all.

to be fair to them the common sense part is leaving them sky blue for a year then getting the new stadium sponsor to pay to change them they have to change 1 stand anyway makes sense to just make it part of the deal to change the lot then. still doesnt mean we should all sit and smile happily while all this bollocks happens like otis suggests. pretty much the council have sold out and most likely signed the death certificate on their football team in favor of a premier league rugby team. everyone knew sisu were full of shit the new stadium is a pipe dream, i cant see how this situation gets better unless the wasps owner buys us that said he just moved a team 70 odd miles so i dont see how he is better then sisu might have more money but ultimately he is just another fat cat trying to milk a sports franchise for all its worth.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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Just noticed that home of wasps banner below the lloyds pharmacy stand as well, I hope all the concourse hasn't been branded with wasps everywhere.
 

Otis

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Of course, Wasps own it they can do whatever they want with it. I just don't see why they bullshit about it when coming in?

What bullshit though?

Surely it would only be bullshit if they did all this if it were in conjunction with CCFC saying they want to stay. If we said that then it would indeed be bullshit.

Where is the bullshit when the football club say they have no intention of remaining here? Not bullshit at all surely?
 

skybluepm2

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I wonder how much it would cost to paint the sky blue.panels outside black?

They could have them sprayed for a minimal cost rather than replace the existing. I predict 2 years from now there won't be an ounce of sky blue recognition left. Land Rover for naming rights??
 

Otis

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What bullshit though?

Surely it would only be bullshit if they did all this if it were in conjunction with CCFC saying they want to stay. If we said that then it would indeed be bullshit.

Where is the bullshit when the football club say they have no intention of remaining here? Not bullshit at all surely?

Wasps said when they came that they saw the situation as more of a partnership than a landlord tenant scenario and that they very much wanted to work with Coventry City FC.

CCFC have refused to accept this and have said they are moving out. CCFC have said that the situation simply won't work and at no point have said that they will even try to make the situation work.

It may not work as it stands, but surely all things are open to negotiation and the club should be doing everything they can to negotiate with Wasps to look at revneu streams and how new revenus streams can be opened up.

It just comes across as intransigence. We were only back at the Ricoh for a bout 3 days before Fisher once again came out with the 'we're not staying line.'

We've made a rod for our own backs. Instead of insisting it won;t work, we should be working tooth and nail in conjunction with Wasps to try out utmost to make it work.

If we have any sense whsoever, then this will indeed all be happening behind the scenes. Surely has to be a better option than some fantasy stadium god knows where and god knows when.
 

standupforcity

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In my opinion I think to rip out every other seat would be acceptable...but I don't suppose that will enter their heads. There should be some sense of 50/50 as long as we're at the Ricoh. And it strikes me the Wasps lot are pretty reasonable and appreciative of the importance of our club to us and the City. Which incidentally is why we must stay in Coventry....but we all know that I guess!
 

stupot07

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Sorry otis but the club owning 50% share with wasps is a partnership, otherwise the we are just a junior tenant and an opportunity to make money for wasps.

The more heavily wasps branded it becomes the more we will look and feel like a junior tenant. For me any long term rental deal has to have the opportunity to buy 50% (not 49%) back from wasps be that a 5 years, 10 years, 15 years time. Otherwise we're just threading water at the Ricoh struggling like we have done the last 9-10 years, and it massively hampers the prospects of getting decent owners in the future.

I am not ok with this, this hurts. It was built for us and the 3 parties that should have our best interests at heart have shat on us from a great height.

I hope wasps fail, I will cheer on every loss, I will not attend a wasps game, they are not a midlands club let alone a coventry one.


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Mary_Mungo_Midge

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Of course, Wasps own it they can do whatever they want with it. I just don't see why they bullshit about it when coming in?

What bullshit?

Again, your criticism of Wasps/ACL/Higgs/CCC is much more verbose than your criticism of King Bullshitter, who is really to blame for this
 

letsallsingtogether

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The problem is if the escalation gets worse. Wasps seats and wasps promotions in the concourse will not be long away. I will find it difficult to attend if this occurs.
Funny that but you had no problem when you went to shitfields with all the Northampton shit around the ground.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
so the badges didn't actually come down then ......
 

stupot07

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A contender for the stupidest post ever. Which is saying something for Sky Blues Talk.

Not as stupid as your post and facebook page for Coventry Wasps.

And further on i qualify why I think it is worse. Just because you're a wasps fan boy.


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Otis

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Sorry otis but the club owning 50% share with wasps is a partnership, otherwise the we are just a junior tenant and an opportunity to make money for wasps.

The more heavily wasps branded it becomes the more we will look and feel like a junior tenant. For me any long term rental deal has to have the opportunity to buy 50% (not 49%) back from wasps be that a 5 years, 10 years, 15 years time. Otherwise we're just threading water at the Ricoh struggling like we have done the last 9-10 years, and it massively hampers the prospects of getting decent owners in the future.

I am not ok with this, this hurts. It was built for us and the 3 parties that should have our best interests at heart have shat on us from a great height.

I hope wasps fail, I will cheer on every loss, I will not attend a wasps game, they are not a midlands club let alone a coventry one.


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Sorry Stu, but I think you are slightly missing the point. When Wasps talked of a partnership they obviously weren't talking in terms of a literal partnership, but more in terms of in offering an olive branch and in wanting to work together. They weren't talking in terms of actual ownership, but just that of wanting CCFC to feel like it was a joint venture for both parties and for CCFC to still feel like they are home.

It was a friendly gesture that's all and that's what I am talking here. Wasps have said they want Coventry City to feel like it is still home for them.

Coventry City though have said that they have no intention of staying and that is why I can't see what all the fuss is about on this thread.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
Now I know it is still raw for the fans but wringing our hands and woe is me is never going to change or help this situation ...... I never thought I would see The Ricoh being in the hands of another team, not even another football team (or would that have been worse)....... somehow I hoped that common sense would prevail.

I could see the business thinking in terms of the initial move to Sixfields, however everything else before and since makes very little sense and ultimately cost CCFC any chance of ownership at the Ricoh. Yes there are things that others did that I seriously question but there is only one group of people that made decisions, set strategy, planned etc for CCFC. For me it seems that that group of people continue to fail to heed the lessons of this whole debacle.

Even if they are building their own stadium then surely they have to maximise income streams now and for the next 4 years whilst building it - they must build a positive relationship to do that. If the new stadium is a ruse then surely now is the time to change the relationships, build trust, get a better deal - but no it would seem nothing like that is happening. There are plenty of ways of getting more incomes but somehow everyone gets fixated on we must own 50%.

We as CCFC fans have become used to not trusting not believing not achieving no longer really hoping and that is being rubbed in by the new Ricoh owners doing (so far) exactly what they said they would (pitch, changing rooms, badges). Will it last for Wasps, who knows. Whilst they must do a charm offensive round fans, schools, business etc in an effort to embed into Coventry - it hurts to see how well they are doing it compared to the frankly pathetic efforts of CCFC over the last few years.

So what are the owners of CCFC doing to maximise the benefit of the current situation for our club? What are they doing to make our CCFC important and valuable again?

In so so many ways it could and definitely should have been us!

Final thought ........ in Coventry in a general sense what is the greater sporting heritage football or rugby? because to know that could indicate the key as to the success or failure of what is going on for all the major sporting teams involved
 
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GingerSimon

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Not as stupid as your post and facebook page for Coventry Wasps.

And further on i qualify why I think it is worse. Just because you're a wasps fan boy.


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No, seriously, it is the worst post ever. You are making Grendel and Nick's posts look positively intellectual. Keep up the good work. :claping hands:
 

stupot07

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Sorry Stu, but I think you are slightly missing the point. When Wasps talked of a partnership they obviously weren't talking in terms of a literal partnership, but more in terms of in offering an olive branch and in wanting to work together. They weren't talking in terms of actual ownership, but just that of wanting CCFC to feel like it was a joint venture for both parties and for CCFC to still feel like they are home.

It was a friendly gesture that's all and that's what I am talking here. Wasps have said they want Coventry City to feel like it is still home for them.

Coventry City though have said that they have no intention of staying and that is why I can't see what all the fuss is about on this thread.

It already doesn't feel like home to me, and the thought of seeing all of the wasps logo's and branding on Saturday is going to hammer it home (pardon the pun).

Unfortunately, that may lead me to not have a season ticket next year.

And it all boils down to whether you believe the new stadium bollox or not. Seems people (not necessarily you) change their stance on whether Fisher is lying or not, depending on the argument.

Ccfc go to Sixfields - they're never going to build a new stadium

Wasps buy ACL - ccfc are going to build a stadium so everything fine and dandy.


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Otis

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It already doesn't feel like home to me, and the thought of seeing all of the wasps logo's and branding on Saturday is going to hammer it home (pardon the pun).

Unfortunately, that may lead me to not have a season ticket next year.

And it all boils down to whether you believe the new stadium bollox or not. Seems people (not necessarily you) change their stance on whether Fisher is lying or not, depending on the argument.

Ccfc go to Sixfields - they're never going to build a new stadium

Wasps buy ACL - ccfc are going to build a stadium so everything fine and dandy.


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I 100% don't believe we will ever build a new stadium. To my mind it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever from Sisu's perspective.

I never trust anything Fisher comes out with. It was entirely wrong to go to Sixfields and it should never, ever have happened. Wasps should never have come here either, but now they are here we have to deal with it and we have to make it work. That's the way I see it unfortunately. A new stadium is just a total non-starter to my mind.
 

GingerSimon

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It already doesn't feel like home to me, and the thought of seeing all of the wasps logo's and branding on Saturday is going to hammer it home (pardon the pun).

Unfortunately, that may lead me to not have a season ticket next year.

And it all boils down to whether you believe the new stadium bollox or not. Seems people (not necessarily you) change their stance on whether Fisher is lying or not, depending on the argument.

Ccfc go to Sixfields - they're never going to build a new stadium

Wasps buy ACL - ccfc are going to build a stadium so everything fine and dandy.


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Gay banter aside, surely what is left of the CCFC fan base should focus all their efforts now on establishing whether the new stadium is fact or fiction. No use banging on about Wasps, Queen Ann, pretending it was okay to go to Sixfields or any other deflection tactics - Nick, Grendel, Rob_S and the rest of the "Journalist Faction" should be demanding answers from SISU.
 

Travs

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Funny that but you had no problem when you went to shitfields with all the Northampton shit around the ground.


This is typical of the anti-sisu, one sided view that prevails on this website.

Every time someone mentions something that the council/acl/wasps/etc may have done in error, everybody jumps in with "well sisu did this..."

I think people who went to sixfields do get it that the period in which SISU have owned us has been nothing short of a disaster, but they are open to the possibility that there are other factors.

To respond to your point, everybody at sixfields went there in full knowledge that it wasn't our ground, that NTFC branding would be prominent, and that it was a temporary move (despite the hysterical rantings on here that the club had been ' kidnapped' and 'held hostage in northampton').

The difference here is that according to the general consensus on here, the Ricoh is supposed to be our home, and it's a bitter pill to swallow seeing it happen.
 

Hobo

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It is not our stadium it is theirs. (Unfortunately)
SISU failed to broker a deal, they chose a distress route, they read the market incorrectly; I suspect they just didn't have the money.

Now all this stuff about Wasps bullshit, sounds like sour grapes. Because I blame SISU for still bullshitting about a new stadium, so we won't be tenants for long. If you believe in SISU what Wasps do to their stadium is of no consequence.

I notice some people reference the move to Northampton as a one year temporary deal. No it was not! It was an open ended deal which could have been a permanent move away from Coventry.

My stance is simple: I was born and raised in Coventry, I support Coventry City and Coventry Rugby. I have also lived in Sheffield, Liverpool and Manchester....if I wanted to change horses I could have years ago. I am a Coventry person I will not be supporting Wasps, I would go and support Earlsdon or Broadstreet before them. But if local people want to support Wasps that is up to them. I objected and didn't go to Northampton, but I said if people want to go that is up to them.

Yes, it is more difficult for us now...so SISU what's the plan and show us the progress because you as owners have played the biggest part in bringing us to this juncture?
 

dongonzalos

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What bullshit though?

Surely it would only be bullshit if they did all this if it were in conjunction with CCFC saying they want to stay. If we said that then it would indeed be bullshit.

Where is the bullshit when the football club say they have no intention of remaining here? Not bullshit at all surely?

Common sense again Otis.
Where have they lied or told bull shit
 

Nick

Administrator
Gay banter aside, surely what is left of the CCFC fan base should focus all their efforts now on establishing whether the new stadium is fact or fiction. No use banging on about Wasps, Queen Ann, pretending it was okay to go to Sixfields or any other deflection tactics - Nick, Grendel, Rob_S and the rest of the "Journalist Faction" should be demanding answers from SISU.

Journalist?? I work in IT.
 

Nick

Administrator
Common sense again Otis.
Where have they lied or told bull shit

With all of the stuff about partnerships, working with CCFC and making out like it wouldn't be much different. Of course Wasps have the right to do whatever they want, the same as the council had the right to sell to wasps. It is the nicey nicey stuff then the stab in the back type stuff.

Of course I am not saying SISU are great, they just seem to stab people in the back without the nicey nicey.
 

dongonzalos

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It already doesn't feel like home to me, and the thought of seeing all of the wasps logo's and branding on Saturday is going to hammer it home (pardon the pun).

Unfortunately, that may lead me to not have a season ticket next year.

And it all boils down to whether you believe the new stadium bollox or not. Seems people (not necessarily you) change their stance on whether Fisher is lying or not, depending on the argument.

Ccfc go to Sixfields - they're never going to build a new stadium

Wasps buy ACL - ccfc are going to build a stadium so everything fine and dandy.


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Think most people are just pragmatic enough to know none of this is wasps fault.

I have heard probably two/three people believe a new stadium is coming.

They are the sands ones who believed it prior to the wasps thing.

So I don't really get your point.

Unless you mean when someone understands why the council did what they did. A factor in that would have been SISU been Adams t they are building a new stadium.

I don't believe them I would guess most councillors don't believe them. However they have to take them seriously they can't just say I don't believe you, can they?
 

Nick

Administrator
It is not our stadium it is theirs. (Unfortunately)
SISU failed to broker a deal, they chose a distress route, they read the market incorrectly; I suspect they just didn't have the money.

Now all this stuff about Wasps bullshit, sounds like sour grapes. Because I blame SISU for still bullshitting about a new stadium, so we won't be tenants for long. If you believe in SISU what Wasps do to their stadium is of no consequence.

I notice some people reference the move to Northampton as a one year temporary deal. No it was not! It was an open ended deal which could have been a permanent move away from Coventry.

My stance is simple: I was born and raised in Coventry, I support Coventry City and Coventry Rugby. I have also lived in Sheffield, Liverpool and Manchester....if I wanted to change horses I could have years ago. I am a Coventry person I will not be supporting Wasps, I would go and support Earlsdon or Broadstreet before them. But if local people want to support Wasps that is up to them. I objected and didn't go to Northampton, but I said if people want to go that is up to them.

Yes, it is more difficult for us now...so SISU what's the plan and show us the progress because you as owners have played the biggest part in bringing us to this juncture?

It was always a temporary move though, whether it was one, two or three years. If they had said "We have bought a stadium 40 miles away, we are moving there for good" then I would never ever dreamed of going and I bet that a large % of people who did go to Sixfields would have been the same.

Fair play to you for your stance though. Yes you are very anti sisu (the same as LAST and BHSB) and would rather go to the local teams rather than WASPS (the same as LAST and BHSB) and not giving it the "I disagreed with Sixfields, but I can't wait to get my Wasps ticket" type stuff!
 

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