Put aside all the off field trouble for a moment (1 Viewer)

Hadenough · Jul 21, 2013

:thinking about::thinking about::thinking about::thinking about:Our squad ,which struggled last season is now much much weaker and a great deal smaller,
We have a transfer embargo in place,another points deduction looming (imo) and even the most pro-Sisu fan would have to agree (i hope!) that they have not invested in players of any real quality for a few years now and if they are to build a new stadium its unlikely they will change tack...so I see no way we will challenge for the play-off or automatic promotion....

We may go from having,sorry playing at the best stadium in Div 1 to having the best in Div 3

stupot07 · Jul 21, 2013

We more than adequately invested last season, just that thorn signed a load of bilge.

Hadenough · Jul 21, 2013

you pay peanuts you get monkeys

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jul 21, 2013

1. We didn't really struggle last season
2. In terms of quality we have lost little since the end of the season
3. Valid point about depth, it is a worry and needs to be addressed before the transfer window closes

italiahorse · Jul 21, 2013

Plus with this upcoming seasons dismal income, the Fair Play restrictions will more than half the money available for the squad in 2014/2015.

italiahorse · Jul 21, 2013

CCFC said:
1. We didn't really struggle last season
2. In terms of quality we have lost little since the end of the season
3. Valid point about depth, it is a worry and needs to be addressed before the transfer window closes

When is it my turn for the rose coloured glasses?

stupot07 · Jul 21, 2013

Hadenough said:
you pay peanuts you get monkeys

We didn't pay peanuts....and we'd be quite happy to be In Yeovils shoes, their monkeys (wage bill circa £700k compared to ours £4.2m) seem to have done ok.

ConnorDevine · Jul 21, 2013

last seasons squad was actually rather ample for the legaue, just clarkes injury and a 10pt deduction meant that in the last 5 games we gave away points because we had nothing to play for

I honestly think so long as we can get some depth in that a 15 point deduction won't relegate us

diggerdaley · Jul 21, 2013

The squad is a lot weaker,no centre backs ,one striker, midfield ok no backup only kids.

ccfcway · Jul 21, 2013

CCFC said:
In terms of quality we have lost little since the end of the season

You do know that our Centre Backs during a freindly last week were Adam Barton and a 16 year old

Noggin · Jul 21, 2013

CCFC said:
1. We didn't really struggle last season
2. In terms of quality we have lost little since the end of the season
3. Valid point about depth, it is a worry and needs to be addressed before the transfer window closes

It's much much more likely that we will lose significantly more quality before the transfer window closes than we will address our strength in depth problem. If you were baker, cristie, clark etc you'd be nuts not to go if an offer was on the table.

ccfcway · Jul 21, 2013

Christie will go...

Not sure Baker or Clarke will, but even if they stay, if the two of them were injured at the same time, then our team very much has a look of relegation about it

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jul 21, 2013

ccfcway said:
You do know that our Centre Backs during a freindly last week were Adam Barton and a 16 year old

Our centre backs were crap last season also, it was a position we needed to strengthen regardless

The centre backs we have lost can be adequately replaced for less wages

Hadenough · Jul 21, 2013

CCFC said:
Our centre backs were crap last season also, it was a position we needed to strengthen regardless

The centre backs we have lost can be adequately replaced for less wages

not until the embargo is lifted you can't

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jul 21, 2013

Hadenough said:
not until the embargo is lifted you can't

Thanks for stating the obvious

covkid53 · Jul 21, 2013

Look guys, the quality of the team isn't the important thing at the moment.

The loss of our football club is perilously near, lets worry about that.

Hadenough · Jul 21, 2013

The centre backs we have lost can be adequately replaced for less wages

thanks for stating the not very obvious at all

blueflint · Jul 21, 2013

stupot07 said:
We more than adequately invested last season, just that thorn signed a load of bilge.

are you for real

skybluelee · Jul 22, 2013

blueflint said:
are you for real

We did though. And from Sep through to beg. Feb we were the best side in the league. And then our owners started fucking about about the rent, we lose our best manager since Sillett, and it has been a slippery ever slope.

Macca · Jul 22, 2013

skybluelee said:
We did though. And from Sep through to beg. Feb we were the best side in the league. And then our owners started fucking about about the rent, we lose our best manager since Sillett, and it has been a slippery ever slope.

Best side in the league that dropped points against dross

fernandopartridge · Jul 22, 2013

Hadenough said:
you pay peanuts you get monkeys

We paid a lot of peanuts for a lot on monkeys, the wrong type of monkey as well. Used 30 odd players last season, doubt many other sides in the division used as many and certainly none of the promoted teams would have.

ajsccfc · Jul 22, 2013

Hadenough said:
you pay peanuts you get monkeys

I wish people would stop coming up with this hackneyed nonsense. Our most expensive signings have included Freddie Eastwood, Lee Hughes and Craig Bellamy.

Sisued · Jul 22, 2013

ajsccfc said:
I wish people would stop coming up with this hackneyed nonsense. Our most expensive signings have included Freddie Eastwood, Lee Hughes and Craig Bellamy.

If only we could combine their best elements and sign a murderous hunchback gypsy

Hadenough · Jul 22, 2013

ajsccfc said:
I wish people would stop coming up with this hackneyed nonsense. Our most expensive signings have included Freddie Eastwood, Lee Hughes and Craig Bellamy.

I was talking about our 'recent' past.......last season for instance....most expensive signing still in our tiny squad???

ajsccfc · Jul 22, 2013

It's a cliche that doesn't stand up, it means nothing. Leon Clarke was free, Cody McDonald a relatively expensive top target.

DazzleTommyDazzle · Jul 22, 2013

ajsccfc said:
I wish people would stop coming up with this hackneyed nonsense. Our most expensive signings have included Freddie Eastwood, Lee Hughes and Craig Bellamy.

True, but also true to say that (at their time) our most expensive signings have included Bill Glazier, Tommy Hutchison, Colin Stein, Terry Yorath, Cyrille Regis, Dion Dublin, Noel Whelan and Robbie Keane.

ajsccfc · Jul 22, 2013

But were they good signings because of the transfer fee involved, or was it just a case of identifying the right player - something that can and has been done for a lot less (and even no) money?

DazzleTommyDazzle · Jul 22, 2013

ajsccfc said:
But were they good signings because of the transfer fee involved, or was it just a case of identifying the right player - something that can and has been done for a lot less (and even no) money?

It's a bit of both.

It's certainly possible to identify the right player without paying a big fee and it's certainly possible to identify the wrong player with a big fee - but on balance, you have to have a better chance of getting good payers if you're in a position to pay "big" fees.

ajsccfc · Jul 22, 2013

So 'pay peanuts, get monkeys' is basically inaccurate. Just stay away from the monkey enclosure and don't leave Andy Thorn in charge of the bananas.

FRY-CCFC · Jul 22, 2013

I'd like to point out to people that we only lost one cb wood, and that's because of his wages, the rest pressley can see can't play a passing game. edge can't and malaga still probably can't speak english

DazzleTommyDazzle · Jul 22, 2013

ajsccfc said:
So 'pay peanuts, get monkeys' is basically inaccurate. Just stay away from the monkey enclosure and don't leave Andy Thorn in charge of the bananas.

That wasn't my conclusion.

My conclusion was that as with any general rule, there will be exceptions, but the general rule - I think - is valid.

Not restricted to football either. Generally speaking, if you want quality you have to pay for it.

Jack Griffin · Jul 22, 2013

FRY-CCFC said:
I'd like to point out to people that we only lost one cb wood, and that's because of his wages, the rest pressley can see can't play a passing game. edge can't and malaga still probably can't speak english

What about Nathan Cameron?

Hadenough · Jul 22, 2013

So we all think that this squad can get us promoted out of Div 1, even with an embargo,no investment and a highly possible points deduction then......glad we cleared that one up...

I think if we stay up we will have done well and I'm not confident

FRY-CCFC · Jul 22, 2013

We let him go as he clearly wasn't good enough and was clumsy. reminded me of leon barnett. Wouldn't consider it a loss seen as he now plays for bury

skybluelee · Jul 22, 2013

Macca said:
Best side in the league that dropped points against dross

The odd defeat by Shrewsbury and Carlisle was more than offset by beating almost every side we played in that period who were above us.

We averaged 2 points per game during that period and then SISU started fucking about again.

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