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CCFC88

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Long time reader, don't often post let alone start my own threads, the majority that do tend to get shot down within 3 replys, as I am expecting to happen here. Season ticket holder living in Sheffield so all I really have to base my info on is the highly factual telegraph website and this forum.

Would it be possible for us to raise the rent for the Ricoh between the fans, all offered it to side for 400k so I'm sure they could do it to a fans group for less than that, say 300, if we had an average of 10,000 core support at this level, say 1/3 are children so 6000 odd with incomes, £50 a year each to keep the city playing in the city. Over 3 years allowing the owners to get on and start building the enigma that is the new stadium. This would surely be cheaper than the expenditure those who would be travelling to and from Northampton every fortnight would spend, and be a clear show of defiance to the owners of how much this club means to the fans. It would give the football league a chance to find out if the owners are serious with their plans of the new stadium which we are all unsure of at the moment.

It may be a bit pie in the sky, optimistic and take some organising but surely it would be an offer that the owners could not turn down, they say they want to keep the club in the city, they say they cannot deal with acl, they won't need to. How could the football league allow them to play at Northampton when they can play in the city at no cost to the club.

Any thoughts?
 

stupot07

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Aren't we effectively already contributing to the rent every time we buy a ticket/season ticket?
 

Cbaker89

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The problem with is. I would expect something back. Like acl allowing me entry into the games for free or something. Another issue is how do you get all 6,000 people to agree to this and follow it through. However I do believe that the more people we can get to sign up to the trust the easier this would become. We could then have a mass group of people to contact and discuss issues with this. Also hasn't someone already offerered to pay our rent
 

wingy

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Long time reader, don't often post let alone start my own threads, the majority that do tend to get shot down within 3 replys, as I am expecting to happen here. Season ticket holder living in Sheffield so all I really have to base my info on is the highly factual telegraph website and this forum.

Would it be possible for us to raise the rent for the Ricoh between the fans, all offered it to side for 400k so I'm sure they could do it to a fans group for less than that, say 300, if we had an average of 10,000 core support at this level, say 1/3 are children so 6000 odd with incomes, £50 a year each to keep the city playing in the city. Over 3 years allowing the owners to get on and start building the enigma that is the new stadium. This would surely be cheaper than the expenditure those who would be travelling to and from Northampton every fortnight would spend, and be a clear show of defiance to the owners of how much this club means to the fans. It would give the football league a chance to find out if the owners are serious with their plans of the new stadium which we are all unsure of at the moment.

It may be a bit pie in the sky, optimistic and take some organising but surely it would be an offer that the owners could not turn down, they say they want to keep the club in the city, they say they cannot deal with acl, they won't need to. How could the football league allow them to play at Northampton when they can play in the city at no cost to the club.

Any thoughts?

Its really good outside the box thinking ,i'd had Ideas if ACL are really screwed over in the outcome of all this ,then maybe the Council could bequeath the Pitch part to the Citizens of Coventry or through the sky Blue Trust every member being a stakeholder . Better If It were all ST holders but Impossible under current owners . How could the League reject either Scenario!!
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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Long time reader, don't often post let alone start my own threads, the majority that do tend to get shot down within 3 replys, as I am expecting to happen here. Season ticket holder living in Sheffield so all I really have to base my info on is the highly factual telegraph website and this forum.

Would it be possible for us to raise the rent for the Ricoh between the fans, all offered it to side for 400k so I'm sure they could do it to a fans group for less than that, say 300, if we had an average of 10,000 core support at this level, say 1/3 are children so 6000 odd with incomes, £50 a year each to keep the city playing in the city. Over 3 years allowing the owners to get on and start building the enigma that is the new stadium. This would surely be cheaper than the expenditure those who would be travelling to and from Northampton every fortnight would spend, and be a clear show of defiance to the owners of how much this club means to the fans. It would give the football league a chance to find out if the owners are serious with their plans of the new stadium which we are all unsure of at the moment.

It may be a bit pie in the sky, optimistic and take some organising but surely it would be an offer that the owners could not turn down, they say they want to keep the club in the city, they say they cannot deal with acl, they won't need to. How could the football league allow them to play at Northampton when they can play in the city at no cost to the club.

Any thoughts?

Still think that SISU are not interested in anything that sees cash heading in ACLs direction (otherwise they would already have taken up earlier offers). May be wrong, but their stance leads me (and others) to this conclusion:blue:
 

BBSB

New Member
Add £50.00 to the price of a season ticket and £3.00 to all other tickets prices.
Must be better than a 70 mile round trip - How much is that going to cost?
 

Delboycov

Active Member
I think that this isn't about the rent or the affordabilty of the rent and all about starving ACL of revenue...a continuation of what they've been doing for well over a year...is the only flaw in your plan! Nice idea though...
 

wingy

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Its a little to easy to dismiss initiatives like this ,remembering that It was a SISU one that took a similar amount out of their own budget when we were In the championship

with price reductions and we've seen the effect of that. Its very late In the day and Hoffman brokered something similar but he is tainted and it looked like there would be a return required .How on earth could the FL reject the Club playing In its home Stadium In such circumstances .This is a No Brainer, from the Fans for the Club!!
 

RPHunt

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What a splendid idea! SISU are obviously on their uppers and this would be a most generous gesture.

A few suggestions for what you could call the campaign "Save A Needy Hedge Fund" or "Support A Carpetbagger" or even "Gangsters In Need".

Let me know have your bank details and I will pass them on to all my friends in Nigeria so they can contribute as well.
 

Grendel

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What a splendid idea! SISU are obviously on their uppers and this would be a most generous gesture.

A few suggestions for what you could call the campaign "Save A Needy Hedge Fund" or "Support A Carpetbagger" or even "Gangsters In Need".

Let me know have your bank details and I will pass them on to all my friends in Nigeria so they can contribute as well.

I am not saying it would but if the idea was accepted by both sides and the result was 3 years football at the Ricoh if all fans paid a bond for 3 years to cover the cost would you support it?
 

Delboycov

Active Member
Its a little to easy to dismiss initiatives like this ,remembering that It was a SISU one that took a similar amount out of their own budget when we were In the championship

with price reductions and we've seen the effect of that. Its very late In the day and Hoffman brokered something similar but he is tainted and it looked like there would be a return required .How on earth could the FL reject the Club playing In its home Stadium In such circumstances .This is a No Brainer, from the Fans for the Club!!

I totally agree with you Wingy and if both sides agreed I would definitely contribute if it enabled my team to play in the city it belongs. However I can't see SISU agreeing to it because it would wreck their plan with regards to securing the prize they covet so much. ACL may feel the same way...just my opinion though.
 

wingy

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I totally agree with you Wingy and if both sides agreed I would definitely contribute if it enabled my team to play in the city it belongs. However I can't see SISU agreeing to it because it would wreck their plan with regards to securing the prize they covet so much. ACL may feel the same way...just my opinion though.

I respect that view Delboy,but It would expose either if they frowned on it ,Its really giving the FL no excuse what ever either sides standpoint,I think.of course it sounds naïve but maybe that's whats needed among all the Chicanery ,a little innocence.
 

RPHunt

New Member
I am not saying it would but if the idea was accepted by both sides and the result was 3 years football at the Ricoh if all fans paid a bond for 3 years to cover the cost would you support it?

What will happen after 3 years?

Let's face it, there is not going to be a new ground and why would SISU want to spend at least £2m a year on a mortgage for a new ground if a bunch of fans were daft enough to provide one for free? The additional revenue from pie money?
 

Grendel

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I respect that view Delboy,but It would expose either if they frowned on it ,Its really giving the FL no excuse what ever either sides standpoint,I think.of course it sounds naïve but maybe that's whats needed among all the Chicanery ,a little innocence.

A small element of this does stack up. The football leagues "reluctant" agreement to sanction this move is due to a rent dispute.

If the money was raised for this season and ACL would accept that holdings then can play at the ground there would be no room for either side to move. I'd put £100 in a bond if it meant another season at the ground.
 

Grendel

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What will happen after 3 years?

Let's face it, there is not going to be a new ground and why would SISU want to spend at least £2m a year on a mortgage for a new ground if a bunch of fans were daft enough to provide one for free? The additional revenue from pie money?

What an idiotic remark.

If they had the stability of remaining on a 3 year arrangement they would be in a stable position to look at offers to sell. Anyway 3 more years at the Ricoh would be utopia from our current plight - or would you rather they stay at Northampton?
 

wingy

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A small element of this does stack up. The football leagues "reluctant" agreement to sanction this move is due to a rent dispute.

If the money was raised for this season and ACL would accept that holdings then can play at the ground there would be no room for either side to move. I'd put £100 in a bond if it meant another season at the ground.

Me too ,or a little more where others couldn't. I vote Dalycov as Mediator!!
 

SkyblueBazza

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That offer involves payback. This offer is simply a gift...but I suspect SISU would engineer it onto the balance-sheet to increase debt & put off future bids for the club. However, we have to remember that from SISU's perspective is about sustainable & increasing revenue. Any continuation of CCFC playing at the RICOH would simply continue the lack of revenue. Hence they want to force ACL into selling...& get a bigger slice of & ultimately control of the revenue. That SHOULD benefit things on the pitch.
 

The Prefect

Active Member
As we all know it's not about the rent for the Ricoh. The whole idea of moving the club away is to distress ACL.

Revenue for the club is about £25 per head. To pay £400,000 in rent would mean 16,000 fans. If the clubs gates fell as low as 5,000 per game then against last year's average of 10,000 then the £400,000 would be raised after playing 4 games at the Ricoh. The maths is easy - SISU's intent and their justification for their actions is completely wrong.

Everyone needs to understand that SISU's game is distressing ACL. There is no business case to move the club away from the Ricoh. Quite the opposite given the fans reaction.

I had a chat with a friend of mine who is an engineer. He thought to build a small stadium would take about 18 months. With the football league agreeing 5 years away then SISU can watch ACL for at least three to see what happens. They will acquire options to buy land and engage contractors on 'options' to convince the football league that they're doing something. Ever wondered why TF's "we'll have a deal for land in three weeks," hasn't materialised?

They can spend a relatively small amount of money over the next three years to wait and see if ACL fail. They might buy land which could be subsequently sold if not needed. When ACL don't fail, they will have to build a stadium. My guess is that it will be three years before work is even close to starting.
 
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wingy

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Prefect ,while your most likely correct about motives ,the idea here Is that they would lose FL backing for moving away ,and removes this Idea that they cannot communicate with each other as it would be out of their hands.We the Fans are untarnished by any of it ,how could the League back away when the fans solve the problem
 

SkyblueBazza

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As we all know it's not about the rent for the Ricoh. The whole idea of moving the club away is to distress ACL.

Revenue for the club is about £25 per head. To pay £400,000 in rent would mean 16,000 fans. If the clubs gates fell as low as 5,000 per game then against last year's average of 10,000 then the £400,000 would be raised after playing 4 games at the Ricoh. The maths is easy - SISU's intent and their justification for their actions is completely wrong.

Everyone needs to understand that SISU's game is distressing ACL. There is no business case to move the club away from the Ricoh. Quite the opposite given the fans reaction.

I had a chat with a friend of mine who is an engineer. He thought to build a small stadium would take about 18 months. With the football league agreeing 5 years away then SISU can watch ACL for at least three to see what happens. They will acquire options to buy land and engage contractors on 'options' to convince the football league that they're doing something. Ever wondered why TF's "we'll have a deal for land in three weeks," hasn't materialised?

They can spend a relatively small amount of money over the next three years to wait and see if ACL fail. They might buy land which could be subsequently sold if not needed. When ACL don't fail, they will have to build a stadium. My guess is that it will be three years before work is even close to starting.

And with such a resulting attendance loss by playing in Northampton: a loss of revenue; less to invest on the pitch; probably worsening performances; possible relegation in that 3-5yrs...there will not be a need for a "high teens" stadium anymore. We'll be talking 10-12k initially with option to expand to 20-25k if we manage to get back to the Chamionship & consolidate our position there...& the crowds come back.
It doesn't take much working out really does it?
 

SkyblueBazza

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Prefect ,while your most likely correct about motives ,the idea here Is that they would lose FL backing for moving away ,and removes this Idea that they cannot communicate with each other as it would be out of their hands.We the Fans are untarnished by any of it ,how could the League back away when the fans solve the problem

The FL have approved the plan to ground-share. When have they ever back-tracked on a decision?
 

The Prefect

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Prefect ,while your most likely correct about motives ,the idea here Is that they would lose FL backing for moving away ,and removes this Idea that they cannot communicate with each other as it would be out of their hands.We the Fans are untarnished by any of it ,how could the League back away when the fans solve the problem

The Football League are only interested in Coventry City fulfilling their fixtures. They're being threatened by SISU in just the same way as the fans.

It's very sad to watch all this happen. I think we're heading for at least one relegation or perhaps two in the next three seasons. TF and SISU know this and will have planned for it. They will blame the fans.
 

stupot07

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As we all know it's not about the rent for the Ricoh. The whole idea of moving the club away is to distress ACL.

Revenue for the club is about £25 per head. To pay £400,000 in rent would mean 16,000 fans. If the clubs gates fell as low as 5,000 per game then against last year's average of 10,000 then the £400,000 would be raised after playing 4 games at the Ricoh. The maths is easy - SISU's intent and their justification for their actions is completely wrong.

Everyone needs to understand that SISU's game is distressing ACL. There is no business case to move the club away from the Ricoh. Quite the opposite given the fans reaction.

I had a chat with a friend of mine who is an engineer. He thought to build a small stadium would take about 18 months. With the football league agreeing 5 years away then SISU can watch ACL for at least three to see what happens. They will acquire options to buy land and engage contractors on 'options' to convince the football league that they're doing something. Ever wondered why TF's "we'll have a deal for land in three weeks," hasn't materialised?

They can spend a relatively small amount of money over the next three years to wait and see if ACL fail. They might buy land which could be subsequently sold if not needed. When ACL don't fail, they will have to build a stadium. My guess is that it will be three years before work is even close to starting.

Revenue an average of £25 per head?
 

Delboycov

Active Member
I respect that view Delboy,but It would expose either if they frowned on it ,Its really giving the FL no excuse what ever either sides standpoint,I think.of course it sounds naïve but maybe that's whats needed among all the Chicanery ,a little innocence.

I think more as a 'smoking out' exercise then it's a fantastic idea and I'm right behind it. I think the Hoffman idea, albeit probably not all that it seemed, did somewhat expose the true motives for this stupid move though if we didn't suspect what they were already.
 

wingy

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This Is something that should be put to the chamber of Commerce. How hard In a city where there are thousands of Businesses to push this and raise significant funds!!
 

SonOfSnoz

New Member
What a splendid idea! SISU are obviously on their uppers and this would be a most generous gesture.

A few suggestions for what you could call the campaign "Save A Needy Hedge Fund" or "Support A Carpetbagger" or even "Gangsters In Need".

Let me know have your bank details and I will pass them on to all my friends in Nigeria so they can contribute as well.

Is your friend Onye Ingwe by any chance?
 

Paxman II

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OP it's not about the rent! You make it sound like SISU can't pay it? They won't pay it. They want some collateral ownership of the Ricoh and for that I actually agree with them.
The way they are going about it stinks but they may build a new stadium if ACL/council don't find a way through these dark muddied waters.
 

Tank Top

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Long time reader, don't often post let alone start my own threads, the majority that do tend to get shot down within 3 replys, as I am expecting to happen here. Season ticket holder living in Sheffield so all I really have to base my info on is the highly factual telegraph website and this forum.

Would it be possible for us to raise the rent for the Ricoh between the fans, all offered it to side for 400k so I'm sure they could do it to a fans group for less than that, say 300, if we had an average of 10,000 core support at this level, say 1/3 are children so 6000 odd with incomes, £50 a year each to keep the city playing in the city. Over 3 years allowing the owners to get on and start building the enigma that is the new stadium. This would surely be cheaper than the expenditure those who would be travelling to and from Northampton every fortnight would spend, and be a clear show of defiance to the owners of how much this club means to the fans. It would give the football league a chance to find out if the owners are serious with their plans of the new stadium which we are all unsure of at the moment.

It may be a bit pie in the sky, optimistic and take some organising but surely it would be an offer that the owners could not turn down, they say they want to keep the club in the city, they say they cannot deal with acl, they won't need to. How could the football league allow them to play at Northampton when they can play in the city at no cost to the club.

Any thoughts?

Perhaps we could pay the players wages too, whilst the so called owners of OUR club relax in the air conditioned Luxury of their Yachts moored in the Harbour at Monte Carlo and the Cayman Isles, Moaning that the vintage of todays Champagne, was not quite up to yesterdays.
 

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