Whats your gut reaction (1 Viewer)

What about last season then SBT? And whatever you argue about this season, fact is that we spent 100k and recouped well over ten times that amount. IMO if we'd had some balls and ambition, we'd have fattened the Bigi cow and cashed in a year later for a fee more akin to that Leeds got for Delph.

Well, 56 of them anyway. Including me I hasten to add.

Nonleagueherewecome said:

FAO: Mr S. Linnell
Re: Majority of CCFC Fans Backing SISU

Dear Mr Linnell,

Please find attached the above poll results FYI.

Kind Regards, The Majority of CCFC Supporters.

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Well exactly, it's not nearly close for Stu to be claiming a "majority" don't as he did...maybe 90% of us are just confused, eh?

oakey said:

Actually yes, as without this it could be argued SISU got back more than they put in.
Wages to loanees cannot be counted as investments either, as we don't know how much the other club paid of their wages.
You can persist with the view that SISU have invested in the team if you wish but the evidence is thin.
It also contradicts the view that SISU have done well to cut costs and only the rent is holding us back. Agree this is a stupid line but many are peddling it.
BTW have you slept through the last month? You seem unaware we might not have a club next season and, if we do, it will spend even less on players than this season unless SISU sell

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Misunderstood the post in question. I was refuting a claim that SISU have put "no money" into the club - simply untrue, regardless of one's views on SISU. I'm not persisting with an opinion, but a fact, they have invested. On and off the field. SISU's biggest crime was appointing incompetent managers who wasted what resources we had.

As a selling club, we have to sell players at profit to survive and to expect we spend, spend, spend is irresponsible and it actually put us on the road to L1 (under Richardson + Strachan). Dropping in attendances, non-ownership of the RICOH, coupled with high rent, making no revenue on match day was going to impede our potential to mobilise funds in the transfer market.

I'm not saying rent is the only thing holding us back, it isn't, but it is a factor that is holding us back, how many L1 clubs can afford 1.28m in rent (the actual cost is even higher because we don't get revenues back, more to the tune of 1.5m)?

We will have a club next season, people are just thinking of the worse-case scenario so if it happens, it dampens the shock, but, CCFC will not go out of business.

Well I'd wager we pay more than what the rent previously was in consultancy fees, and a fair whack on paying off fired managers...

Cityfan1 said:

GO. But i feel our chance's of finding the White Knight we all would like are summed up in the final paragraph of the attached article.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...2oHwDA&usg=AFQjCNErDwF06KU9hlGuvoZUIExoDWOOKg

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"A common feature of clubs in considerable crisis and administration is that the vultures begin to circle – those entrepreneurs who specialise in “rescuing” a distressed business before stripping the carcass to make a quick profit. The motive of any potential owner, particularly one from overseas with no apparent connection either to the local area or football in general, has to be questioned."

Hmm, now who does that sound like...

Nonleagueherewecome said:

What about last season then SBT? And whatever you argue about this season, fact is that we spent 100k and recouped well over ten times that amount. IMO if we'd had some balls and ambition, we'd have fattened the Bigi cow and cashed in a year later for a fee more akin to that Leeds got for Delph.

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If you don't have the money, you can't, or shouldn't, spend beyond your means, that's what Pompey did, and they've gone from FA Cup winners to L2 within 5-6 years.

We spend all right, that's how you run up a bill of £60m, it sure as hell wasn't going on players...

oakey said:

SBTaylor, you forgot to list the money received when we sold on many of those listed. For the sake of balance?
Best, Bigi, Gunnar, Juke etc

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You can do that can't you? Then I can tell you your figures are "vastly over exaggerated".

Arrh the old stay or go poll. It could just easily have said hate or like? No you are right in one thing OSB it's not scientific.
It can't be answered in a yes or no. I hope they stay for a short while and keep maintaining our football club while every effort is made to find new buyers. But new buyers are not yet coming forward so it's not a case of Go or stay it's stay out of necessity surely? For the time being at least.
So reluctantly I vote stay as that can be the only option even as a gut reaction. I want these pest gone but I also can't blame them for all the current troubles that have erupted on our club. To say GO implies that the other side are in someway correct? ACL have been far from correct in going about things. The clubs future is suspended at the moment in a cloud of admin for one entity while operating fully functioning as another entity thanks in part to ACL.
There's no right side in all this for me...they are all culpable. Frankly I also believe not only should SISU depart but ACL should go too.
We need a new perspective and the time for that is now.

For the record, I voted Go, and meant it.

Nonleagueherewecome said:

FAO: Mr S. Linnell
Re: Majority of CCFC Fans Backing SISU

Dear Mr Linnell,

Please find attached the above poll results FYI.

Kind Regards, The Majority of CCFC Supporters.

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The best you can claim (without statistical analysis - I have not done it) is to represent the majority of those polled. The majority of 70 voters (as I type) as in. Even if everyone on the forum voted similarly - that might not be statistically significant. Got to be accurate or SISU might level some of the accusations back at those who have made accusations of "liars" or whatever right back at you.

Out of interest, are 'guests' allowed to vote or is it 'members only'?

SkyblueBazza said:

The best you can claim (without statistical analysis - I have not done it) is to represent the majority of those polled. The majority of 70 voters (as I type) as in. Even if everyone on the forum voted similarly - that might not be statistically significant. Got to be accurate or SISU might level some of the accusations back at those who have made accusations of "liars" or whatever right back at you.

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No, of course, but in terms of refuting Linnell's assertions, it does that in pretty darn stark terms. Even those with a lot of sympathy for SISU think that they have pretty much burnt their bridges-they don't have a realistic future at this club, they'll only dig themselves an even bigger hole. Unfortunately, I misread somewhere that SISU is Finnish for "stubborn as a mule"...

TheRoyalScam said:

Out of interest, are 'guests' allowed to vote or is it 'members only'?

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You need to log-on to be able to vote, so no guests. Otherwise people could vote loads of times, like I used to on the CT

SkyBlue_Taylor said:

What figures are "vastly over-exaggerated"? Prove me wrong, because I'm pretty sure they're all correct. Only Baker and Keogh I'm unsure of.

This season? Are you saying we haven't done well in the market? Moussa, Leon, Fleck, Jennings, Adams, and some would argue, Edj (I personally disagree but hey) were all good quality free transfers. For synopsis, MK Dons haven't spent money on a player for 2-3 years. They are more than competitive in this league.

50% of Bigi money went on academy. The other 50% and Keogh probably went on balancing the books, because CCFC lost millions in revenues because of relegation, the vacuum needed to filled. We also have to bear FFP in mind to!!

Clubs like CCFC have to sell to survive, that's the brutal truth no one wants to accept, but it's still true. We sell players, and most of it will pay-off debts or strengthen off-field.

Or do expect we spend 20m in the summer!?

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clingan, cody and
baker were far less than you state. Juke cost £100k so made a vast profit on him aswell.

this season weve done ok in the market, though you dont seem to mention that we have only spent about £100k this season on players and recouped a couple of million, id say sisu have invested nothing on players in the last 24 months, remember we could only sign cody last season AFTER we had sold turner for twice the money so they made £400k there as turner cost us nothing as cane through the youth system.

and dont forget that £720k we paid in "intrest" payments last year.............that more than covers the transfers of cody and barton plus more without spending the turner money.

you could even take bigi out of the transfers in and out equasion and put his transfer fee in to running the academy, that amounts to keeping it going for 3 seasons.

and yes we lost millions in revenue when we got relegated, i sat next to tim fishface and john clarke last season a week before juke was sold, they said it was to ensure we broke even for that last financial year..........the 1 were still waiting to see hence the emargo we were under, i said but it would be at the cost of certain relegation so we would lose 3 or 4 million overnight so what would we do then? fishface shrugged his shoulders as if to say god knows....................we got relegated and like you said we had to sell again to cut the losses.

Brinner,ignore this sisu loving prick. Twats like sbt would back these wanker owners if we ended up in the bsp. Retard.

GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oldskyblue58 said:

This isnt very scientific and I am not not looking for caveats to opinion or detailed explanation. I fully realise that this situation is not as simple as the question I ask. Yes I know it begs the questions who to replace, how, is it possible, etc. There are reasons why it is not possible, could be right to stay etc. Just trying to establish the strength of feeling in response to certain media assertions that most fans want them to stay.

you have 2 seconds to say stay or go or dunno. Be honest. What is your gut reaction.

SISU - do you want them to stay or go now?

edit - did try to attach a poll but it didnt work- thanks to whoever sorted it out

btw my gut reaction is go

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Surprised at you OB, would you like to clarify that you want them to go and leave us with nobody to pay the bills?...

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How do you know there's nobody there sisu rentboy?

i'll presume those who want them to stay are trolls or incester fans

oldskyblue58 said:

I know it cant be answered easily Paxman if you sit and analyse it - have spent long enough analysing it ? ...... precisely why i put it as 2 seconds to decide knee jerk reaction, so that at the very basest level have we got an indication of whether SISU have the fans onside. The reason for posting it was to try test the assertion made in the media that most fans support SISU

Wasnt trying to apportion blame or not. Plus I was quite careful in how I phrased the question - it was never meant to be a multi option answer in an attempt to get a clear response. Saying go doesnt imply anything about the other side. Nor was this ever an attempt to blame SISU for all our ills. It could have gone the other way and my response would still have been it isnt scientific but perhaps an indication (rather than just picked out of the air for a sound bite)

I respect your views in voting for them to stay and the caveats you attach

Would seem of those that voted that SISU dont have the fans onside .......... but it is only a small sample from over 2000 visits to the thread...... got to assume that the rest were not bothered either way

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You did ask for a simple yes/no. Not too taxing really.

ccfc_Tom said:

i'll presume those who want them to stay are trolls or incester fans

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I don't suppose anyone wants a failed regime to stay but ultimately this poll is pointless.

If for example the poll said did you want them to stay if they invest £100 million in the team then unless you are a complete fool or purely interested on the fortunes of ACL such as Coundon or James (sorry forgot his other name) you would say yes.

Equally if you said no and were ultimately given the vision of no alternative investor, no signings, a 15 point penalty through an involuntary CVA and ultimately liquidation - you may change your mind.

The question is unanswerable as we know not the consequence.

Which of the 8 people are a complete embarrassment?

Go now shitsu would also be nice to know who the investor is that has been in touch with the administrator...

Do you suppose the 8 who voted stay-a-while are the same 8 people out of the 10 who still post on GMK?
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Echoes and tumbleweed on there these days :claping hands:

Grendel said:

I don't suppose anyone wants a failed regime to stay but ultimately this poll is pointless.

If for example the poll said did you want them to stay if they invest £100 million in the team then unless you are a complete fool or purely interested on the fortunes of ACL such as Coundon or James (sorry forgot his other name) you would say yes.

Equally if you said no and were ultimately given the vision of no alternative investor, no signings, a 15 point penalty through an involuntary CVA and ultimately liquidation - you may change your mind.

The question is unanswerable as we know not the consequence.

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Yes but we know that sisu wont invest...or if they do, nothing substantial.

ccfc_Tom said:

Yes but we know that sisu wont invest...or if they do, nothing substantial.

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The argument was hyperbole to expose the pointless nature of the Poll. Even the comment "stay around for a while" suggests permanency is not possible so effectively only permits one real answer.

The real answer of course is that we hope for a better sustainable future. If that is available at all only time will tell.

If a Poll was posted now as to should CCFC own the Ricoh -- straight yes or no I would hope the majority would say yes (the usual suspects would of course pass out at this notion) -- but does that suggest that the mood is against the Council and ACL and in favour of the club?

Grendel said:

I don't suppose anyone wants a failed regime to stay but ultimately this poll is pointless.

If for example the poll said did you want them to stay if they invest £100 million in the team then unless you are a complete fool or purely interested on the fortunes of ACL such as Coundon or James (sorry forgot his other name) you would say yes.

Equally if you said no and were ultimately given the vision of no alternative investor, no signings, a 15 point penalty through an involuntary CVA and ultimately liquidation - you may change your mind.

The question is unanswerable as we know not the consequence.

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Not at all, he explains that he's looking for "a gut reaction, don't spend more than 2 seconds thinking about it". Not the most difficult concept to grasp, is it?

I myself blame acl,sisu and the council for the mess we are in do not trust any of them.... So i wish for the sake of this great football club they would all do the decent thing and let somebody new takeover....

Sky blue north east said:

I myself blame acl,sisu and the council for the mess we are in do not trust any of them.... So i wish for the sake of this great football club they would all do the decent thing and let somebody new takeover....

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That gets my vote

Nonleagueherewecome said:

Not at all, he explains that he's looking for "a gut reaction, don't spend more than 2 seconds thinking about it". Not the most difficult concept to grasp, is it?

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The concept is easy to grasp.

The execution of the concept is ultimately impossible as considered thought is required.

Grendel said:

That gets my vote

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Problem is someone needs to buy the club to enable that-and according to you there's nobody interested.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Problem is someone needs to buy the club to enable that-and according to you there's nobody interested.

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I answered the post with 2 seconds of thought -- that is the idea isn't it?