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Sick Boy said:

Who would you expect to replace them?

No one in their right mind would agree to what ACL are demanding, and you can be sure that any potential investor would seek a similar deal like SISU are currently doing. As it has been said many times, i am sure some would suddenly change their viewpoint.

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Sisu agreed to it in 2007.

don't worry about transfers in
we'll get two in with 2 minutes to go

Could resist. Our new club anthem:

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Sick Boy said:

Who would you expect to replace them?

No one in their right mind would agree to what ACL are demanding, and you can be sure that any potential investor would seek a similar deal like SISU are currently doing. As it has been said many times, i am sure some would suddenly change their viewpoint.

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ACL are "demanding" that the club accept a ridiculously generous two thirds cut in rent....stop pretending that it's not SISU who is being unreasonable.

I really don't see what else ACL can do.

coundonskyblue said:

Sisu agreed to it in 2007.

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Those of us who voiced doubts about them were branded traitors. I presume a lot of the most anti-sisu posters were once the most pro-sisu.

CJparker said:

ACL are "demanding" that the club accept a ridiculously generous two thirds cut in rent....stop pretending that it's not SISU who is being unreasonable.

I really don't see what else ACL can do.

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Only in Coventry would you have supporters who are siding with a quango over the best interests of their football club.

Sick Boy said:

Only in Coventry would you have supporters who are siding with a quango over the best interests of their football club.

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"The best interests of our football club" involve setting out deliberately to screw over a council and a charity who have in the past stepped in with millions of pounds of emergency funding to prevent us being homeless. Why would you want a taxpayer-funded council to subsidise the actions of a Mayfair hedge fund?

Unless you think that CCFC is entitled to a pretty much free council-provided stadium, you must by definition agree with what I have written above.

Sick Boy said:

Those of us who voiced doubts about them were branded traitors. I presume a lot of the most anti-sisu posters were once the most pro-sisu.

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That's idiotic.
Even if they were "pro Sisu" are you saying people cannot or should not change their mind? Explain.

In any case people wanted to believe that Sisu had saved the club, indeed this is what we were told.
You'd have to be pretty warped to think that Sky Blue fans wouldn't be happy with those who were being portrayed as having "saved" the club.
You make no sense - Sick Boy - no sense whatsoever.:jerkit::jerkit::jerkit:

Stepped in and charged an unreasonably high rent. They may have stepped in with millions but they certainly took advantage to make sure they'd get plenty back. Hopefully one day PKWH will tell us who pegged the rent at that level in the first place. A question he never seems to want to answer.

We'll be fine, Have faith in them for once. They continue to bank roll my club. ACL need to stop ripping my club off with the rent.

Sick Boy said:

Those of us who voiced doubts about them were branded traitors. I presume a lot of the most anti-sisu posters were once the most pro-sisu.

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When they arrived, they promised a lot.

Since then, most intelligent people have realised that they cannot be trusted, they don't do what it says on the tin.

CJparker said:

ACL are "demanding" that the club accept a ridiculously generous two thirds cut in rent....stop pretending that it's not SISU who is being unreasonable.

I really don't see what else ACL can do.

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It's not particularly generous. They are after the revenue streams. Get that into your head. Revenue streams mean more wages allowed under FFP. The actual rent is almost secondary (although clearly still important).

Sick Boy said:

Those of us who voiced doubts about them were branded traitors. I presume a lot of the most anti-sisu posters were once the most pro-sisu.

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I don't think any kudos are due to one having "doubts" or "suspicions". When SISU came in, they prevented the club from going into administration (and a potentially bleak outcome), put money into signing players, paid a fair wedge to get Coleman as the manager, and so forth. Nobody would have been wrong at that time to say they were doing well.

They may not have turned out to be the best owners in the world, but I do find some of the criticism to be rabid and unwarranted. The way I see it, SISU continue to pay the bills that few others - if anyone - would be willing to pay. This was the case with their predecessors and, in all likelihood, any successor. So I'm just glad to have a club. If the fans regrouped and packed out that stadium, I daresay everybody would win. The polarisation I just do not understand.

CJparker said:

"The best interests of our football club" involve setting out deliberately to screw over a council and a charity who have in the past stepped in with millions of pounds of emergency funding to prevent us being homeless. Why would you want a taxpayer-funded council to subsidise the actions of a Mayfair hedge fund?

Unless you think that CCFC is entitled to a pretty much free council-provided stadium, you must by definition agree with what I have written above.

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So why aern't you and other encouraging or even demanding that ACL issue a winding up order on the club? They have had 12 months to do it,what's holding them back.If the club don't pay up,you get rid of SISU which is presumbably what you want.

CCFC said:

I take it these can't be done until a conclusion to the Ricoh row is sorted?

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So let me get this right, Fisher say ACL are bust, yet CCFC fail to file their accounts, and will blame ACL for the legal action. I understood ACLs accounts were also due to be filed, my guess is thy will have filed theirs, and guess what I bet they are far from bust, need to check tomorrow. Can hear Fishers spin saying its all ACLs fault because of their legal orders, truth is Miss Seppala will not provide financial support for a going concern for next financial year. Look forward to reviewing who is bust tomorrow, and how Fisher explains his screw up.

What was it that Fisher promised at the start of the season? "The accounts will be filed properly this time and there will be no embargo in March". We've been force fed my BS by our eteemed 'owners'

dadgad said:

That's idiotic.
Even if they were "pro Sisu" are you saying people cannot or should not change their mind? Explain.

In any case people wanted to believe that Sisu had saved the club, indeed this is what we were told.
You'd have to be pretty warped to think that Sky Blue fans wouldn't be happy with those who were being portrayed as having "saved" the club.
You make no sense - Sick Boy - no sense whatsoever.:jerkit::jerkit::jerkit:

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I will ignore your predictable and petty 'wanker sign'.

There were a few posters on various forums who pointed out what we were getting ourselves into, yet a lot chose to ignore all of this and not listen. Some even went as far as scoffing at Southampton and how lucky we were to have 'hard-nosed' businessmen running our club. We were taken over by a hedge fund, what else did they expect to happen.

If more people had engaged their brains, rather than believing whatever they were told at the time, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess?

Colonel, polarisation is caused by distrust. If everyone believed and trusted in our owners, there would be less of an obstacle to move forward from where we are.

As it stands, not many people, businesses, or politicians , trust the motives of Sisu, and that is now the stumbling block.

BurbageSkyBlues said:

When they arrived, they promised a lot.

Since then, most intelligent people have realised that they cannot be trusted, they don't do what it says on the tin.

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That's a pretty fair assessment. All in all, bringing everything to mind I'd say you've nailed it there. Spot on.:claping hands::guitar2::claping hands::guitar2:

Any news yet?

TrueSkyBlueLiam said:

What was it that Fisher promised at the start of the season? "The accounts will be filed properly this time and there will be no embargo in March". We've been force fed my BS by our eteemed 'owners'

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Follow the Fisherman as we all be his words of wisdom, thank god he is an engineer not an accountant

Colonel Mustard said:

I don't think any kudos are due to one having "doubts" or "suspicions". When SISU came in, they prevented the club from going into administration (and a potentially bleak outcome), put money into signing players, paid a fair wedge to get Coleman as the manager, and so forth. Nobody would have been wrong at that time to say they were doing well.

They may not have turned out to be the best owners in the world, but I do find some of the criticism to be rabid and unwarranted. The way I see it, SISU continue to pay the bills that few others - if anyone - would be willing to pay. This was the case with their predecessors and, in all likelihood, any successor. So I'm just glad to have a club. If the fans regrouped and packed out that stadium, I daresay everybody would win. The polarisation I just do not understand.

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To be fair, I agree with what you say. A lot of people assumed that they would pump endless money into the club though...this was obviously not going to happen! A lot of our supporters do seem to expect someone else to waste their own money on the club though.

The biggest mistakes were made by those running the club on their behalf when they came into the club. Yet some of these are still held in high regard by some supporters.

cofastreecity said:

So let me get this right, Fisher say ACL are bust, yet CCFC fail to file their accounts, and will blame ACL for the legal action. I understood ACLs accounts were also due to be filed, my guess is thy will have filed theirs, and guess what I bet they are far from bust, need to check tomorrow. Can hear Fishers spin saying its all ACLs fault because of their legal orders, truth is Miss Seppala will not provide financial support for a going concern for next financial year. Look forward to reviewing who is bust tomorrow, and how Fisher explains his screw up.

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Of course ACL will file theirs - so would SISU if the council lent them £20 million over an unstated term at no doubt a very paltry interest rate.

dadgad said:

That's a pretty fair assessment. All in all, bringing everything to mind I'd say you've nailed it there. Spot on.:claping hands::guitar2::claping hands::guitar2:

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In that case I assume you must trust them loads.

This is a sad and wholly unprofessional way to operate.

Any business knows when accounts are due, and strives to meet the deadlines......it is surely business as usual for the accountants and directors of a company? The only ones that don't, generally have something to hide, and probably, more often than not, go under.

Sick Boy said:

I will ignore your predictable and petty 'wanker sign'.

There were a few posters on various forums who pointed out what we were getting ourselves into, yet a lot chose to ignore all of this and not listen. Some even went as far as scoffing at Southampton and how lucky we were to have 'hard-nosed' businessmen running our club. We were taken over by a hedge fund, what else did they expect to happen.

If more people had engaged their brains, rather than believing whatever they were told at the time, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess?

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But that again makes no sense. What can fans do? We were told it was "Sisu or liquidation" - if we'd withheld our shares (which some did) Sisu would have pulled out.
At the eleventh hour using "our brains" would have amounted to jack shit.
Many have regretted that Sisu became our new owners but it seems ridiculous of you for blaming them for not having had more foresight when the alternative was "no club".
I repeat, you make no sense but will refrain from wanker signs. ok?

Sick Boy said:

A lot of people assumed that they would pump endless money into the club though...this was obviously not going to happen! A lot of our supporters do seem to expect someone else to waste their own money on the club though.

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Too true. I was watching a documentary about the film business the other week, and they were talking about just how hard it was to actually get money, even with established talent. Always a case of a man who knows a man who knows a man. Now that we have no ground to mortage (not SISU's fault), it's even harder to get your hands on credit. I still think the global financial crash played a big part in SISU's retreat - you can practically pinpoint the last of the spending to the collapse of Bear Sterns.

The biggest mistakes were made by those running the club on their behalf when they came into the club. Yet some of these are still held in high regard by some supporters.

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Indeed. To go from a Premiership club with its own ground to being homeless, relegated and £60m in debt ... that cannot be fixed by a magic wand, and we should not expect international playboys to step in with daddy's cheque book. I hold the previous boards ten times more culpable for our situation than SISU.

Grendel said:

Of course ACL will file theirs - so would SISU if the council lent them £20 million over an unstated term at no doubt a very paltry interest rate.

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And what about the £45m from SISU which was so very skilfully managed, I know who has the better covenant and who I would trust. Look forward to reviewing the CCFC going concern, sadly it won't happen and therefore SISU will have turned destroyed 130 years of history

Couldn't agree more. We are where we are not because of SISU but because of people like Richardson and McGinnity. Ably assisted by Robinson, Hover and Elliot. They should all be ashamed.

Colonel Mustard said:

I hold the previous boards ten times more culpable for our situation than SISU.

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And again, someone else who can't seem to grasp where this whole sorry saga started.

cofastreecity said:

And what about the £45m from SISU which was so very skilfully managed, I know who has the better covenant and who I would trust. Look forward to reviewing the CCFC going concern, sadly it won't happen and therefore SISU will have turned destroyed 130 years of history

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If it hasn't already been stated, I think something important needs to be mentioned here which is that the filing of the club's accounts isn't of significance in the grand scheme of things. The club is owned by a holding company, which is in turn owned by another holding company-and so the only one that actually reveals anything useful is that of the ultimate holding company.

torchomatic said:

Couldn't agree more. We are where we are not because of SISU but because of people like Richardson and McGinnity. Ably assisted by Robinson, Hover and Elliot. They should all be ashamed.

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According to the CET Richardson is a pioneer who is harshly judged by those who couldn't share his vision. They even plugged his new consultancy business-I don't know which is more baffling, the local paper's defence of the man who initiated the club's decline, or that the man himself is allowed back into the business world without anyone batting an eyelid.

Is anyone seriously surprised by this story?

luwalla said:

Robins has far from a secure contract.. He's been given a rolling agreement by Huddersfield.. Things go wrong for him and they can bin him with no pay off

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Is that supposed to make it comforting that he thought that was more secure than staying with us?.....

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Are Sisu going to say the ongoing problem with rent is the reason why accounts have not been filed, because if so what was the last reason. This issue is not rent and although agree we as a club deserve the correct rent,Sisu cant keep stumbling over the running of the club. So instead of asking is it ACL fault ask why are we back us to this situation again and if you come back to the council, its your opinion but one ill never agree with.