The Coates family are spending their own money and can afford to write off debts. Wagner fronts a group of investors who may eventually decide they've had enough and look to get out while leaving the club with the debts.
25/26 January Transfer Window (31 Viewers)
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fernandopartridge
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The investment into Birmingham City is in the form of loans with a 12% interest rate.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Roman Abramovich loaned Chelsea over £1 billion didn't he?
fernandopartridge
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He did, though it was at a market interest rate
Mucca Mad Boys
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How much time does Birmingham actually have though?
FFP will kick in and as others have mentioned, the investors may scale back their interest in the club and leave them in the lurch.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Clearly hoping to get promoted before that becomes relevant, like a number of other clubs before them.
David O'Day
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and he basically was never serious about collecting, the interest on the blues loans makes me think the fund that owns them will want that cash back
Brighton Sky Blue
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True, though I did always wonder why someone not serious about collecting it wouldn't have simply just written it off/gifted it/pumped it in with a bogus Man City-style sponsorship deal.
As for Birmingham, they're making like QPR did a decade ago and trying to go up before any of this is a concern.
Lamps
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I don't disagree. But my point of Stoke using the scattergun approach and wasting hundreds of millions just to finish in the bottom half of the table most of the time is similar to the Birmingham approach. Buy good players at an inflated prices but never a team. Spending up to 10m per player in League one gives a massive advantage but the Championship is a different animal.
So here they are. Tipped to be minimum playoffs by many but are a few points away from the top half of the table. Their best players are loans that will go back at the end of the season so they have to start again.
Lamps
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I'm not so sure. They have some kind of TV deal I haven't got a clue about. How much is it worth for the bottom line? It gives a route for fantasy accounting.
SleepyGinger
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Listened to the ‘Not the top 20’ mid season predictions and Ali quite rightly pointed out that Esse is a good signing and may eventually take Sakamoto place in the team but it’s not like when Leeds added Solomon or Burnley added Marcus Edwards. I know they were parachute teams but I just hope we don’t look back and regret not ‘going for it’. Still a long way to go in the window and though so hopefully still another 1 or 2 to come in.
I’d love it if Blues struggled but players like Klara, Neumann, Ducksch and Stansfield are all perms. There’s a strong chance they’ll pick up Roberts and Doyle permanently next season and then you have a core unit who could do something at this level. Not sure they’ll do it with this manager though.
Sick Boy
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I’m not convinced we’ll spend on transfer fees this window.
SBAndy
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And is also not that good. Hard pass from me.
StrettoBoy
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I think we will if the right player(s) become available at the right price. It does seem that we were prepared to buy Manneh.
It’s a tricky window because, looking ahead, we don’t know which league we will be playing in next season. This affects both our budget and the quality of players we need.
More than in other windows it seems that loans make sense and DK appears to have realised this.
AFCCOVENTRY
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We’ve done well to get Esse and Minny in so quickly. Jan is a tough window. I reckon any additional players will now happen in the last week of the window.
Skybluedownunder
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Lyndon Dykes is interesting Leicester 
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Sky Blue Goblin
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Personally think it’s for the best for him. The championship is a very difficult place to blood young players especially in defence as you can see at Sheffield Wednesdays who have been forced into it.
Club have high hopes for him but good just to get him playing men’s football at a decent level to start. Plus means we can have a look at him in a different environment
Sky Blue Goblin
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Agreed. We all knew we needed wingers and it’s good the club acted so fast to bring in two of quality imo especially Esse.
I’m sure we’ll be after more and hopefully Saddle is right on the CM
Skyblueweeman
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Doesn't make sense though if we've got money. That's the question I guess, do we have money to spend.
If so, I can't see us not spending.
Didn't we spend £4m last Jan and £5m the previous Jan?
Wouldn't make sense to spend money to get into/consolidate POs but not spend when we've got an even better chance of going up.
Cally Fedora
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Put yourself in Kings seat. If he spends money on a transfer it essentially has to be on someone they consider good enough for the prem. That equates to big money. If we don’t make it that then becomes a big issue. Short loans that can have an impact are exactly the right option. Personally I think we will sign a midfielder for depth but it won’t be big money.
Skyblue Bangkok
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We have to be sustainable and balance the books what have we spent in transfer fees since the end of last season ? Around £7 million ?
shmmeee
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“We will definitely make it so it has to be big money, but then what if we don’t make it??”
Cally Fedora
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Woolf, Brau, KKH possibly a fee of sorts for Rushworth so yes, around that mark I’d say.
Cally Fedora
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Have another read.“We will definitely make it so it has to be big money, but then what if we don’t make it??”
shmmeee
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Nah I got it in one. Youre overthinking it like everyone else. We need a first team capable CM, the best we can afford. We can probably gamble a bit more and get a bit better cos it looks like we’ll go up but as you admit it isn’t guaranteed so we do need the reinforcements.
Teams are allowed to sell and loa players once they go up, we aren’t forced to keep every player we sign. Get what the team needs now and worry about PL players when we’re in the PL. the aim is always to get players who can step up but that requires a good scouting team and the ability to convince players to join us and not West Ham or Burnley.
Well then you'd have to consider what market is like that you're selling into, clubs will try to harm us financially?
Cally Fedora
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I don’t think it’s over thinking. It’s trying to think as King will. It’s his cash. Agree you can sell or loan out but that’s not a given. I agree we’ll sign a first team ready CM - but I do think it will be a more pragmatic than marquee signing.
SleepyGinger
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I don’t think we’ll sign a centre half but Willy Boly doesn’t even get in the Forest squad at the moment. Was very good at wolves a few years ago, probably on a huge wage but possibly a loan?
Sky Blue Goblin
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Spending money doesn’t necessarily mean you get a better player. I doubt we could of signed better than Esse in this window.
Trust the club to find the right player
Trust the club to find the right player
Ccfcisparks
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We were never going to go for it. That's not King's style.
Ccfcisparks
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I really doubt he was the best player available. Thats just your sky blue goggles