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Brighton Sky Blue · 2025-12-23T16:06:36+0000

rob9872 said:
90% probably. I imagine there are a number who see it as a factor without being the only reason.

Out of interest (and I'm not picking a fight as I finish here in 30 minutes ) where do you sit? I mean I know of course you're pro-immigration, but do you believe it's in any way to blame for where we're at and plays at least a part in the issues we have currently?

I’m pro-some immigration but I am also pro-the country not being dependent on foreign labour (either skilled or unskilled). I just don’t see it as the reason why things are the way they are. I get I’m in the minority of course which is disappointing but in a democracy those are the breaks.

Brighton Sky Blue · 2025-12-23T16:14:39+0000

Mucca Mad Boys said:
You say that, but what policies would do this in your view?

You can measure how Labour’s anti-business policies have backfired on ‘working people’… private sector redundancies and unemployment is increasing.

Likewise, tax rises and inflation directly impact the money in people’s pockets and their spending power. Again, things get worse.

Some of my preferred policies in no particular order:

Universal free school breakfast and lunch
Universal childcare up to 2 children
Legalised cannabis
Easier ‘right to organise’ rules for workplace collective bargaining
VAT to be cut or scrapped or at least lowered for certain goods
Nationalised rail and utilities
Extended paid paternity leave (think Spain get 3 months)
Classification of gig economy workers as equal to ‘employed’ workers

In terms of industrial and business strategy, I’ve long supported what @CCFCSteve described a while ago as a starting point (can’t find the post).

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-12-23T16:18:56+0000

wingy said:
Okay would you say his stance on Palestine is the right way to take the country compared to the migrnt hotels etc?

No

Grendel · 2025-12-23T19:03:19+0000

PVA said:
I'm sure absolutely none of these farmers ever complained about JSO protestors from blocking ambulances etc

It’s worked - the government U turns - shock horror

Farmers celebrate Sir Keir Starmer's Christmas U-turn on inheritance tax

The government has significantly increased the threshold at which farms will be subject to inheritance tax, which the Tories say is a "huge U-turn".

news.sky.com

wingy · 2025-12-23T19:19:56+0000

Grendel said:
It’s worked - the government U turns - shock horror

Farmers celebrate Sir Keir Starmer's Christmas U-turn on inheritance tax

The government has significantly increased the threshold at which farms will be subject to inheritance tax, which the Tories say is a "huge U-turn".

news.sky.com

I'm wondering if the take of £24B may have swung it and Reeves is just another Tory like all of them?

Grendel · 2025-12-23T19:21:59+0000

wingy said:
I'm wondering if the take of £24B may have swung it and Reeves is just another Tory like all of them?

She’s just stupid. She’s totally fucked up the IHT grab on pensions and will end up scrapping it as it will end up costing more money than it used to supposed to gain

chiefdave · 2025-12-24T09:31:55+0000

Some astonishing comments from the judge. Surely off the back of this the charity commission need to take a look at their status as a charity.

Reginald D Hunter: Judge quashes antisemitism case brought by Campaign Against Antisemitism

A judge says the Campaign Against Antisemitism's private prosecution was intended to get Hunter "cancelled".

www.bbc.co.uk

Gynnsthetonic · 2025-12-24T10:45:10+0000

Love this!

Mucca Mad Boys · 2025-12-24T10:50:03+0000

Gynnsthetonic said:
Love this!

He is truly a hated Prime Minister. The amount of times you hear 'Keir Starmer's a wanker' at the darts and the football is genuinely unheard of. I read a blog that even at the height of the miner's strikes, football fans didn't chant about Thatcher*.

*That said, since the 80s there has been an erosion for public deference to politicians and the monarchy.

fernandopartridge · 2025-12-24T11:06:14+0000

Labour u turning on inheritance tax is embarrassing. It shows that as ever with the main parties they listen to the wealthy over the majority of working people.

If they are to allow such a high threshold for inheriting agricultural property there needs to be conditions related to that property actually producing in the past and future. If somebody inherits farm property and then flips it for another use they should be obliged to pay inheritance tax on it imo.

Mucca Mad Boys · 2025-12-24T11:11:46+0000

fernandopartridge said:
Labour u turning on inheritance tax is embarrassing. It shows that as ever with the main parties they listen to the wealthy over the majority of working people.

If they are to allow such a high threshold for inheriting agricultural property there needs to be conditions related to that property actually producing in the past and future. If somebody inherits farm property and then flips it for another use they should be obliged to pay inheritance tax on it imo.

It's pretty clear that Labour's policies are being driven by the civil service rather than the other way round. Same with the winter fuel allowance.

It is embarrassing because they've introduced many policies that have such obviously bad consequences which forces them into a U-turn. If they had any sense, they'd U-turn on the employer NI rise.

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-12-24T11:12:51+0000

Mucca Mad Boys said:
He is truly a hated Prime Minister. The amount of times you hear 'Keir Starmer's a wanker' at the darts and the football is genuinely unheard of. I read a blog that even at the height of the miner's strikes, football fans didn't chant about Thatcher*.

*That said, since the 80s there has been an erosion for public deference to politicians and the monarchy.

Cause people can’t think for themselves ask them why

Mucca Mad Boys · 2025-12-24T11:18:13+0000

Sky Blue Pete said:
Cause people can’t think for themselves ask them why

They can think for themselves and this government has been a disaster. In fact, you'd even agree on this point so not sure why you would even say that.

With respect, middle-class lefties tend to be some of the most patronising people I've come across. Have you ever considered that you may actually be wrong and not everyone else is stupid for once?

Sick Boy · 2025-12-24T11:19:28+0000

The thing is, it’d be pretty much a continuation of the same with any of the other parties.

chiefdave · 2025-12-24T11:19:30+0000

fernandopartridge said:
Labour u turning on inheritance tax is embarrassing. It shows that as ever with the main parties they listen to the wealthy over the majority of working people.

The rich control the narrative, the general population falls in line behind them, campaigning for a change that won't be of any benefit to them, the government u-turns.

Same as it always was and same as it will always be.

The likes of Clarkson openly admitted to buying a farm purely for tax reasons, then when the loophole was going to be shut he started crying about it.

Needs a government that both has some balls and the ability to communicate what is actually happening and how they are being manipulated.

Grendel · 2025-12-24T11:22:07+0000

chiefdave said:
The rich control the narrative, the general population falls in line behind them, campaigning for a change that won't be of any benefit to them, the government u-turns.

Same as it always was and same as it will always be.

The likes of Clarkson openly admitted to buying a farm purely for tax reasons, then when the loophole was going to be shut he started crying about it.

Needs a government that both has some balls and the ability to communicate what is actually happening and how they are being manipulated.

They changed their minds more likely as a back bench rebellion was brewing with MPs in rural constituencies looking at a P45 in 3 years

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-12-24T11:23:43+0000

Mucca Mad Boys said:
They can think for themselves and this government has been a disaster. In fact, you'd even agree on this point so not sure why you would even say that.

With respect, middle-class lefties tend to be some of the most patronising people I've come across. Have you ever considered that you may actually be wrong and not everyone else is stupid for once?

They don’t
You guys have good reasons those singing Starmer is a wanker couldn’t tell you one reason why

fernandopartridge · 2025-12-24T11:24:43+0000

Grendel said:
They changed their minds more likely as a back bench rebellion was brewing with MPs in rural constituencies looking at a P45 in 3 years

Do they have many MPs in rural places?

Grendel · 2025-12-24T11:56:52+0000

fernandopartridge said:
Do they have many MPs in rural places?

A fair few I think

Labour MP suspended after rebelling on farm tax plan - BBC News

Dozens of the party's backbenchers are said to have abstained, amid concerns from rural MPs at the move.

www.bbc.co.uk

Mucca Mad Boys · 2025-12-24T12:02:51+0000

Sky Blue Pete said:
They don’t
You guys have good reasons those singing Starmer is a wanker couldn’t tell you one reason why

I think lying about why they’d do in government is a pretty good reason to sing it.

In the debates when Sunak said ‘Labour will do this, that’, at the time he came across as desperate and petulant. 18 months on, that outburst proved prophetic.

This little old nugget:

PVA · 2025-12-24T12:15:45+0000

Farmers get all manner of subsidies and reliefs already.

Moaning about how hard they have it as they sell off another parcel of land for millions of pounds (an actual conversation I had the other day).

They have a real arrogance to them that they should be treated differently.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · 2025-12-24T12:37:13+0000

PVA said:
Farmers get all manner of subsidies and reliefs already.

Moaning about how hard they have it as they sell off another parcel of land for millions of pounds (an actual conversation I had the other day).

They have a real arrogance to them that they should be treated differently.

Let's face it, you have absolutely no idea what it is like to be a farmer.

Frankly, anyone that voted for Labour shouldn't be trying to lecture other people on politics.

PVA · 2025-12-24T12:46:15+0000

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Let's face it, you have absolutely no idea what it is like to be a farmer.

Frankly, anyone that voted for Labour shouldn't be trying to lecture other people on politics.

I'd be very confident in saying I know more about it than you.

As for your second point, I thought this was a politics thread on a discussion forum. Free speech!! (unless you vote Labour or don't think all Muslims are terrorists).

SBAndy · 2025-12-24T12:59:35+0000

fernandopartridge said:
Labour u turning on inheritance tax is embarrassing. It shows that as ever with the main parties they listen to the wealthy over the majority of working people.

If they are to allow such a high threshold for inheriting agricultural property there needs to be conditions related to that property actually producing in the past and future. If somebody inherits farm property and then flips it for another use they should be obliged to pay inheritance tax on it imo.

Silly to increase the thresholds, should have looked at ways to ratchet/remove the charge for actual farmers who keep the land in production. Say, a 10-year deferral of the tax unless the farm was sold/taken out of production. After the 10 years, if it’s still going as-is, then the tax liability falls away.

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