Women's Boxing in the Olympics (2 Viewers)
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A simple power rating would suffice in my opinion,not castigating a significant proportion of women who have been born ,lived as women,are women just on some dodgy russian federation say so and amplified by big smart don before the event,just like a stable genius,demi God,predicts event's does Don!
oakey
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What nonsense.
Women's sport was created to exclude males and specifically male advantage.
Forget Russians and Donalds and focus on the issue.
If an individual is male they must be excluded from the women's category.
It is a regulatory body's actual job to protect that category by having entry requirements - most obviously a sex screening process.
The IOC has refused to do this. They have no interest in protecting the integrity of women's sport. They are happy to use birth certificates to include males in women's sport.
Women's sport was created to exclude males and specifically male advantage.
Forget Russians and Donalds and focus on the issue.
If an individual is male they must be excluded from the women's category.
It is a regulatory body's actual job to protect that category by having entry requirements - most obviously a sex screening process.
The IOC has refused to do this. They have no interest in protecting the integrity of women's sport. They are happy to use birth certificates to include males in women's sport.
oakey
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Nonsense
Data?
And it still does,get a power co -iffecient and measure that if you want, but it's a women's sport and she is a woman, sorry, for your loss of Identity, natural all the way here!
oakey
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What data would you need to confirm whether these athletes are male or female?
The IOC has chosen either to require no medical evidence and accept a birth certificate OR they have medical evidence which they have kept to themselves.
Both options demonstrate a failure to govern with any integrity.
The release of the russian crap for a start and the handling back of the £100k from Gazprom!
oakey
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Neither action would settle the issue of whether the 2 boxers are male or female, which is the crux of the controversy.
Well the £100k would be a start to prove she was genuine in her weird surrender in the fight,alleging a broken nose but on closer inspection that claim wasn't made again,the first question is enough to publicly hang Kalif,no evidence for me and the head of IAB SAID only testosterone levels were measured and confused but enough to disqualify her and the other boxer, she's not hermafridite Andy not trans, discredited from the IAB,god I may have been married to one of those described but four children later bruised knuckles from whaking me over the head!
rob9872
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He'll get a sponsorship from Stella on the back of it.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Seriously?
By whose measure,and in centimetres or inches?
rob9872
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Micropenis apparently. Mines served me ok but it does have 20 stone ramming it home.
Como
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oakey
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Yet again the point is being missed.
The facts about whether individuals are male or female can (and probably have) been established. The IOC have chosen to ignore the biology and go with the political decision that biology matters less than identity and inclusion.
It looks likely that IOC know but don't care whether these boxers are male or female.
Therefore, I repeat, this is a failure of governance. When this happens it opens the door to speculation and misinformation.
For my part I am not interested in Russian interference, Trump weaponising the issue, "he said, she said". The IOC should have established the facts. They have brought this on themselves and are a disgrace.
The facts about whether individuals are male or female can (and probably have) been established. The IOC have chosen to ignore the biology and go with the political decision that biology matters less than identity and inclusion.
It looks likely that IOC know but don't care whether these boxers are male or female.
Therefore, I repeat, this is a failure of governance. When this happens it opens the door to speculation and misinformation.
For my part I am not interested in Russian interference, Trump weaponising the issue, "he said, she said". The IOC should have established the facts. They have brought this on themselves and are a disgrace.
oakey
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The Imane Khelif matter resurfaces: can we find in it, somehow, our common humanity? | 3 Wire Sports
The story of Imane Khelif, the Algerian athlete who won gold in the women’s boxing competition at the Paris 2024 Olympic Games, is filled with layers of complication. The question confronting all of us now, with the story in the spotlight again Monday, is not just whether the Imane Khelif
www.3wiresports.com
An interesting and fairly balanced article, at least. Comments below are too.
oakey
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Imane Khelif will not be able to compete in female category at upcoming event due to new testing rules, body says
The controversial Algerian athlete will no longer be able to compete in the Eindhoven Box Cup from 5 June due to mandatory sex testing for all boxers.
Not the Olympics but the story continues
oakey
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IOC’s Kirsty Coventry announces ‘scientific approach’ to protect ‘female category’
Kirsty Coventry has said there is ‘overwhelming support’ among IOC members to protect the female category in a significant shift in its gender eligibility policy
oakey
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Sex tests brought in after data showed 50-60 DSD athletes in finals, World Athletics says
World Athletics’ head of health and science told a panel in Tokyo that DSD athletes were ‘over-represented’ in female category finals since 2000
So 135 finalists in women's athletics were males. Boxing and athletics are finally revealing the truth.
Evo1883
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Fucking atrocious , and to think people argued about it tooSex tests brought in after data showed 50-60 DSD athletes in finals, World Athletics says
World Athletics’ head of health and science told a panel in Tokyo that DSD athletes were ‘over-represented’ in female category finals since 2000www.theguardian.com
So 135 finalists in women's athletics were males. Boxing and athletics are finally revealing the truth.
oakey
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Transgender women to be banned from all female Olympic events
IOC likely to announce new policy early in new year after findings of a scientific review about the permanent physical advantages of being born male
www.thetimes.com
Finally. Where have all the apologists for blatant cheating gone, I wonder.
Sky Blue Pete
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Think you’ve been right on thisTransgender women to be banned from all female Olympic events
IOC likely to announce new policy early in new year after findings of a scientific review about the permanent physical advantages of being born male
Finally. Where have all the apologists for blatant cheating gone, I wonder.
It’s really uncomfortable to try and manage a way through but you have to manage women competitive sport
rob9872
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So transgender women (men) banned from competing against women. I don't know how that could ever be a discussion, but at least the correct conclusion.Transgender women to be banned from all female Olympic events
IOC likely to announce new policy early in new year after findings of a scientific review about the permanent physical advantages of being born male
Finally. Where have all the apologists for blatant cheating gone, I wonder.
Even better it seems Coventry had a hand in it too
oakey
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That makes no sense.
If you have a point to make then do so with clarity. Otherwise sit down and accept you were wrong.
SkyBlueDom26
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Great news, only biological women should be able to compete in women’s sports. Anyone who disagrees is a creepy weirdo, it’s dangerous and unfair on actual women who train hard to have some man come along and break all the records
SkyBlueDom26
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Strange strange take, wouldn’t expect anything else from you
Brighton Sky Blue
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People born male clearly should always have been competing against others born male. The question of intersex people however is much more difficult to answer and that still needs addressing case by case.So transgender women (men) banned from competing against women. I don't know how that could ever be a discussion, but at least the correct conclusion.
Even better it seems Coventry had a hand in it too