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Grendel

Grendel

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chiefdave

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Nick said:
Again, 5 hours at Gallagher McDonald's and they could clean up.

Do that country wide and govnt start hitting the companies with huge fines.
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In reality that wouldn't work. Those companies have a the system set up so the workers are at arms length. The illegal workers will 'rent' logins to those services from people who are registered legally. Makes it very difficult to take any meaningful action against the companies themselves.

So what do you do? Round up the people at Gallagher and then what, you're not going to be automatically deporting them under current laws so you basically tell them not to do it again and they're back at it the next day because its the only way they can earn money.

If there was a sizeable and publicised boycott of those companies they'd soon find ways to bring in stricter checks on who is doing the work.
 
Grendel

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chiefdave said:
In reality that wouldn't work. Those companies have a the system set up so the workers are at arms length. The illegal workers will 'rent' logins to those services from people who are registered legally. Makes it very difficult to take any meaningful action against the companies themselves.

So what do you do? Round up the people at Gallagher and then what, you're not going to be automatically deporting them under current laws so you basically tell them not to do it again and they're back at it the next day because its the only way they can earn money.

If there was a sizeable and publicised boycott of those companies they'd soon find ways to bring in stricter checks on who is doing the work.
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Oh yes people are going to boycott McDonalds - it’s a franchise anyway?

Just apply the law and fine them the statutory amount for every employee they do it for.
 
Saddlebrains

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Saddlebrains said:
Thing is, whatever they project for Reform, add around 10% more of the vote on, there will be more people intending to vote Reform who wont say it publically for fear of the name calling etc
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The polls are confidential, you aren't having your name and voting intention listed.

There will also be a lot of people that will vote tactically/hold their nose and vote Labour to avoid putting Farage in No 10.
 
Nick

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chiefdave said:
In reality that wouldn't work. Those companies have a the system set up so the workers are at arms length. The illegal workers will 'rent' logins to those services from people who are registered legally. Makes it very difficult to take any meaningful action against the companies themselves.

So what do you do? Round up the people at Gallagher and then what, you're not going to be automatically deporting them under current laws so you basically tell them not to do it again and they're back at it the next day because its the only way they can earn money.

If there was a sizeable and publicised boycott of those companies they'd soon find ways to bring in stricter checks on who is doing the work.
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If they find people renting other accounts then they hammer the companies for not having the correct checks and procedures in place. Fine the company every time somebody is caught using a rented account.

"Only way they can earn money" makes it sound like they aren't getting money from the government and their bills paid for.

You see takeaways getting raided and charged for having illegal workers so why not Uber eats and deliveroo?
 
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SBT

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So the outcome of that election result is what then?

The Tories boot Kemi for Jenrick and agree to prop up Farage before the inevitable reverse takeover?

Reform minority government that gets to collapse and moan about never getting a chance before it actually has to do something?

Extraordinarily unpopular rainbow coalition of left/centre-left parties?
 
Brighton Sky Blue

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Saddlebrains said:
Thing is, whatever they project for Reform, add around 10% more of the vote on, there will be more people intending to vote Reform who wont say it publically for fear of the name calling etc
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Nobody’s name gets published in these things. I got phoned by Ipsos again recently to ask about politics and who I’d vote for. One of the questions was who out of Starmer/Badenoch/Farage would make the best PM.

I was told that ‘none of them’ wasn’t an acceptable answer
 
SkyBlueDom26

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SBT said:
So the outcome of that election result is what then?

The Tories boot Kemi for Jenrick and agree to prop up Farage before the inevitable reverse takeover?

Reform minority government that gets to collapse and moan about never getting a chance before it actually has to do something?

Extraordinarily unpopular rainbow coalition of left/centre-left parties?
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You really are the definition of a fucking idiot
 
Sick Boy

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Nick said:
It's just a piss take when somebody works all their life.

Kind of shit that makes people want to put flags on lampposts.
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Yesterday there were 2 people standing on a bridge above the M1 holding a flag on a pole over the bridge. Drove back an hour later and they were still there. 😂😂
 
Saddlebrains

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PVA said:
The polls are confidential, you aren't having your name and voting intention listed.

There will also be a lot of people that will vote tactically/hold their nose and vote Labour to avoid putting Farage in No 10.
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I doubt that. Labour will be obliterated like the tories

Things is with this, the whole rhetoric of reform voters being racist etc doesnt stack up does it?

This shows that Reform as it stands will almost get a full majority. Is the whole country now suddenly racist? I dont think so. I think the fact you can get a Tesco shop to your door quicker than a copper, waiting 15 hours for an Ambulance and no one having any money to ever do anything despite working their bollocks off says more on this projection
 
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SBT

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Saddlebrains said:
Things is with this, the whole rhetoric of reform voters being racist etc doesnt stack up does it?

This shows that Reform as it stands will almost get a full majority. Is the whole country now suddenly racist?
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No, but you have to question why it’s Reform that benefits rather than say, the Greens or Lib Dems.
 
mmttww

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
much better without that twat on here
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Blaming Spider-Man GIF
 
mmttww

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Saddlebrains said:
Probably because they have more policies people agree with, unlike the tree shaggers and lib dems
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this is the biggest issue for me. Labour in the run up to and since the election seem to have spent to bulk of their energy heading off or reacting to the Sunak and Reform narrative (Stop the Boats etc.) instead of hammering home what else they want to do and why. Feels gutless when you've just got in with a massive majority.
 
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Saddlebrains said:
I think the fact you can get a Tesco shop to your door quicker than a copper, waiting 15 hours for an Ambulance and no one having any money to ever do anything despite working their bollocks off says more on this projection
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I agree this is what pisses people off. Certainly does me.

But I would say that's more down to 14 years of Tory austerity than 12 months of Labour. But that's a different argument I guess (which has been done a million times!)
 
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Grendel

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Saddlebrains said:
I doubt that. Labour will be obliterated like the tories

Things is with this, the whole rhetoric of reform voters being racist etc doesnt stack up does it?

This shows that Reform as it stands will almost get a full majority. Is the whole country now suddenly racist? I dont think so. I think the fact you can get a Tesco shop to your door quicker than a copper, waiting 15 hours for an Ambulance and no one having any money to ever do anything despite working their bollocks off says more on this projection
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Starmer will be long gone by the next election along with that imbecile Reeves. The landscape will be different.
 
Saddlebrains

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SBT said:
Which policies?
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I dunno, im not massively into politics. I just think its clearly obvious that if over the last year, the majority of the UK has decided theyve seen enough with Labour and Conservatives for the last however many decades, then it shows just how fucked off people are

-Illegal migration is uncontrolled, unvetted, and way out of hand now
-The police service is crumbling, the red tape, the paperwork, the lack of coppers available for real crimes such as burglaries, car theft etc. A person's car and home is their sanctuary, safe space and their way around to work etc. Yet when someone violates that 'heres a crime number'
- The NHS is broken. It used to be the envy of the world, it isnt now. A+E wait times at horrendous levels, not enough ambulances, cant see a doctor since COVID, and hundreds more
- The housing crisis. There isnt enough housing for our ever growing and aging population, and the prices are fucking exorbitant. If I want to buy a decent 3 bed for 300k I have to have a 30k deposit. How's that being saved for whilst paying rent, bills, etc. Its fucking impossible now for millions of people
- Unemployment levels still stupidly high
- The cost of living. Everything is ridiculously expensive, even fucking mince is now nearly £8 a pack. Fuel, gas and electric, council tax etc, all rising all the fucking time
- Education. That system is flawed. Teachers leaving in their droves

I could go on. If you dont see the affect of this in every day life then them people are lucky. It just cannot go on like this, and it seems it wont, too many people in this country have had enough, of a multitude of issues, and see absolutely no improvement anywhere, just more and more degradation of happiness and quality of life


Thats the reason Reform, and Farage will get in. And if he fucks it up or goes against the policies that have people actually believing this sinking ship of a country can be turned around, then God knows what will happen after that
 
rob9872

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SBT said:
No, but you have to question why it’s Reform that benefits rather than say, the Greens or Lib Dems.
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Probably most would align to what a Labour government SHOULD stand for, but they're making such a shit show of it that more and more are becoming disillusioned and defecting to what they see as their only home. I suspect despite being seen as RW, there will be a lot more Labour voters from working class towns and cities defecting to Reform because they'd never vote Tory and see the Greens and Lib Dems for almost everything they're against.
 
Sick Boy

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Saddlebrains said:
I dunno, im not massively into politics. I just think its clearly obvious that if over the last year, the majority of the UK has decided theyve seen enough with Labour and Conservatives for the last however many decades, then it shows just how fucked off people are

-Illegal migration is uncontrolled, unvetted, and way out of hand now
-The police service is crumbling, the red tape, the paperwork, the lack of coppers available for real crimes such as burglaries, car theft etc. A person's car and home is their sanctuary, safe space and their way around to work etc. Yet when someone violates that 'heres a crime number'
- The NHS is broken. It used to be the envy of the world, it isnt now. A+E wait times at horrendous levels, not enough ambulances, cant see a doctor since COVID, and hundreds more
- The housing crisis. There isnt enough housing for our ever growing and aging population, and the prices are fucking exorbitant. If I want to buy a decent 3 bed for 300k I have to have a 30k deposit. How's that being saved for whilst paying rent, bills, etc. Its fucking impossible now for millions of people
- Unemployment levels still stupidly high
- The cost of living. Everything is ridiculously expensive, even fucking mince is now nearly £8 a pack. Fuel, gas and electric, council tax etc, all rising all the fucking time
- Education. That system is flawed. Teachers leaving in their droves

I could go on. If you dont see the affect of this in every day life then them people are lucky. It just cannot go on like this, and it seems it wont, too many people in this country have had enough, of a multitude of issues, and see absolutely no improvement anywhere, just more and more degradation of happiness and quality of life


Thats the reason Reform, and Farage will get in. And if he fucks it up or goes against the policies that have people actually believing this sinking ship of a country can be turned around, then God knows what will happen after that
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What are the Reform policies to address those?
 
Saddlebrains

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Sick Boy said:
What are the Reform policies to address those?
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Again, like I said im not into it massively. But clearly Reform are appealing to the majority of the general public now no?

What has decades of Labour and Conservative government brought us too? I think thats more what people are thinking
 
chiefdave

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Saddlebrains said:
Probably because they have more policies people agree with, unlike the tree shaggers and lib dems
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Think this is an interesting point. IMO they've largely succeeded so far by not having much in the way of policies. That way they've mopped up support with a vague 'its all immigrants fault'.

When they had their conference Farage was doing the rounds on the Sunday political shows and it was the first time I've heard him questioned about policy. Car crash would be a huge understatement.

The problem they will have is if the media stops being so compliant to them they will need to come up with actual policies and how they will be funded and that may alienate some of their current support.

Of course they may well end up in a Trump style situation where they are openly saying things that will disadvantage the average voter but their base will choose to ignore it and then claim surprise when its implemented.
 
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SBT

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Saddlebrains said:
I dunno, im not massively into politics. I just think its clearly obvious that if over the last year, the majority of the UK has decided theyve seen enough with Labour and Conservatives for the last however many decades, then it shows just how fucked off people are
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I agree with you that the cost of living is ridiculous and the emergency services are often an embarrassment. Fair enough if you wouldn’t trust the Tories or Labour to fix it (I don’t either). And fair enough if you think Reform’s policies to fix those things are better than the alternatives. But why say that if you don’t know what the actual policies are?
 
Grendel

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Sick Boy said:
What are the Reform policies to address those?
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I don’t think it really matters. People do underestimate Farage. He’s a bit like Alec Salmond - pretty skilled at whipping people up over an issue and getting many engaged.

I think he will run out of steam and unless gets some real hard hitters from the Tory Party get a bit exposed in an election.

The reality is though neither main party offers anything but the same grey mushy gruel for a lot of the population so for them how’s it going to be worse?
 
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