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Grendel

Grendel

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PVA said:
No, they are changing defence budgets because he's a fucking idiot who's in bed with war criminals.
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So I assume we will refuse to allow the US to use our airbases as he presents a threat to our sovereignty?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Or we're changing our defence budgets because his actions are making the world much more unstable and we doubt whether we can rely on supposed partners if it all goes to shit.

Given there's supposedly no money even if we are appeasing Trump I'm sure we're looking to reduce it back ASAP. Or if they've got any brains they'll just be reclassifying stuff as national security/military spending. Not like he's going to check.

I'm hoping we get through this and we can see how much we 'fawn' over him when he's gone and people start telling the truth.

We all know in a few decades time they'll be queueing up to say how Trump has shit for brains and the temperament of a child.
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Why do we need to double our defence spending?
 
tisza

tisza

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Grendel said:
So I assume we will refuse to allow the US to use our airbases as he presents a threat to our sovereignty?
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But we are sending "him" around a billion dollars for 12 nuclear bombers - that aren't actually nuclear bombers unless the US President says the nuclear bombs can be used as he owns the bombs. Knee jerk nonsense.
 
shmmeee

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tisza said:
But we are sending "him" around a billion dollars for 12 nuclear bombers - that aren't actually nuclear bombers unless the US President says the nuclear bombs can be used as he owns the bombs. Knee jerk nonsense.
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When people say we can’t fire the nukes without the US they don’t mean we need to ring up for permission lol.

The support systems and guidance systems are US run, but command and control of the bombs is entirely within the UK. If the US went rogue tomorrow we’d just have to learn maintenance before they broke and replace guidance systems, but then we’d have to do that for everything that used GPS.
 
tisza

tisza

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shmmeee said:
When people say we can’t fire the nukes without the US they don’t mean we need to ring up for permission lol.

The support systems and guidance systems are US run, but command and control of the bombs is entirely within the UK. If the US went rogue tomorrow we’d just have to learn maintenance before they broke and replace guidance systems, but then we’d have to do that for everything that used GPS.
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That's not what NATO, UK and US Govts say. America owns the weapons and are responsible for their maintenance etc. the nuclear non-proliferation makes this clear.
 
Captain Dart

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tisza said:
That's not what NATO, UK and US Govts say. America owns the weapons and are responsible for their maintenance etc. the nuclear non-proliferation makes this clear.
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We are living after all on Airstrip One.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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PVA said:
Of course we should increase spend, regardless of Trump. If anything we should increase spend because of Trump - not because he tells us to, but because he makes the world a more unstable place.

Also 'buying off Trump' - the money doesn't go to the US government.
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The US government has forever been a representative of the US private sector in its international operations. Trump is not secret about this.
 
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Skybluekyle

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tisza said:
That's not what NATO, UK and US Govts say. America owns the weapons and are responsible for their maintenance etc. the nuclear non-proliferation makes this clear.
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I think there is a bit of confusion here? If I am not mistaken, you are referring to the UK's recent announcement it intends to purchase F-35As with nuclear weapon deployment capability and the commitment to join NATO's nuclear sharing program, and shmmeee is referring to Trident.

The usage of F-35A for nuclear purposes will require US and NATO authorisation as part of the existing NATO nuclear sharing framework, but Trident remains independent from a deployment perspective, the UK can use Trident without prior authorisation from any other country, including the US, at the request of the Prime Minister or via the "Letters of Last Resort" mechanism.

This calls into question the strategic vulnerability caused by the over-reliance on American made nuclear technology, but that would form part of the wider question rather than simply the recent announcement. Of course, this is moot as the US and UK are very closely aligned on nuclear affairs, with no real signs of deviation.
 
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