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Jesse Carver

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Interesting bit on the fall out from the ESL and Newcastle takeover in the Athletic today. Looks like Hoffman's days could be numbered

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Life under new ownership got off to a disappointing start for Newcastle as defeat by Tottenham kept them inside the relegation zone — while in corridors of power across the Premier League the fall-out from their controversial £305 million Saudi Arabia-backed takeover continues to simmer.

The other 19 clubs held an extraordinary meeting last week, where league officials tried to explain the decision to sanction a deal that many of its members vehemently oppose for multiple reasons.

It is believed this did little to placate those who are angry about the buyout and instead reinforced an increasing sense of dissatisfaction within the division towards the English top-flight’s hierarchy.

That dissatisfaction is understood not to relate solely to the Newcastle situation — more a combination of various issues — but events on Tyneside have brought the grievances to a head.

As a result, The Athletic has learned, there is a widespread view among teams that change should occur at leadership level and the person earmarked for removal is chairman Gary Hoffman.

Hoffman was only appointed to the Premier League in April 2020 but is said to have struggled for popularity during a turbulent 18 months, so much so that a desire to see him leave has emerged.

At this point in time a vote of “no confidence” has not taken place — if Hoffman is to exit, sources indicate the matter would most likely be handled without such a course of action being required — but the feelings over his potential departure are thought to be shared by a majority of the sides.

Naturally the strength of sentiment differs throughout the group, however it is not confined to the so-called “big six” of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Spurs.

The proposed European Super League (ESL) brought Hoffman under the spotlight a year into his reign and on subjects like that and Newcastle, a number of executives do not think the investment banker carries the necessary clout from a governance, political and communication perspective.

Communication from the organisation’s summit down to its shareholders is a key complaint around the Newcastle takeover, even though the league insists it was bound by confidentiality.

That confidentiality is said to have slipped in last week’s meeting when, despite the government refusing to reveal what it told the league about the buyout because it could “harm” relations with Saudi Arabia, Hoffman allegedly disclosed it and chief executive Richard Masters had to step in.

The erosion of trust in Hoffman is not known to have been articulated at meetings where Premier League staff were present, rather in separate calls and gatherings involving the clubs alone.

Should Hoffman depart, it will be interesting to see what type of replacement is sought and how much influence the teams who signed up for the collapsed ESL attempt to exert over the process.

The loudest voices in talks regarding Newcastle are believed to have been sides whose chances of success towards the top of the table may be threatened and those whose hopes of survival could diminish at the opposite end. Clubs with female CEOs (Everton, Leicester and West Ham) are claimed to have shown the strongest moral compass, while Burnley have also been vocal.

The Premier League declined to comment.
 

Danceswithhorses

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So basically these other clubs are pissed off because Newcastle now have money, and these clubs are dressing it up as poor communication and 'morally wrong', when in fact they would all have taken the Saudi Arabian owner's money to get success, given half a chance.
Whatever your beliefs are about Saudi Arabia and their 'questionable' human rights record, they passed the league's 'fit & proper' test (despite its apparent past weaknesses), and so it's no business for other clubs.
 

Grendel

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So basically these other clubs are pissed off because Newcastle now have money, and these clubs are dressing it up as poor communication and 'morally wrong', when in fact they would all have taken the Saudi Arabian owner's money to get success, given half a chance.
Whatever your beliefs are about Saudi Arabia and their 'questionable' human rights record, they passed the league's 'fit & proper' test (despite its apparent past weaknesses), and so it's no business for other clubs.

I don't think you need to put questionable in inverted commas do you?
 

wingy

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So basically these other clubs are pissed off because Newcastle now have money, and these clubs are dressing it up as poor communication and 'morally wrong', when in fact they would all have taken the Saudi Arabian owner's money to get success, given half a chance.
Whatever your beliefs are about Saudi Arabia and their 'questionable' human rights record, they passed the league's 'fit & proper' test (despite its apparent past weaknesses), and so it's no business for other clubs.
Well if as the article suggests,leant on by Govt.
Then how on earth is he responsible for the selfish ESL project?
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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They are just worried another team with a load of cash might start challenging at the top end, they had to start calling it the big six after other teams started taking their places in the big four. None of the clubs are in a position to start banging on about anything, their shirts will be made in sweat shops and they will happily take the bookies money.
 

NortonSkyBlue

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Having just returned to the UK from living in Saudi Arabia for 8 years I find the entire questionable human rights argument really weak.
Firstly it is the UK that is selling arms and expertise to the Saudi leadership, it is the UK staff that is directing the drones and missiles to Yemen. It is the UK through BAE that is creaming the Saudis in a way that makes Newcastle United takeover seem like loose change.
Yes things are different in Saudi Arabia and some things are brutal but for anybody on here to raise their moral compass over things in Saudi Arabia should take a look closer to home. Crime is punished harshly therefore crime is very low, the streets are safe, drugs and alcohol abuse is not an issue. Honestly we have much to learn from them.
Take a look at Manchester City, at PSG, at Chelsea. You will find abuse at every level if you look, look at the history of King Power.....
They will pump money in to Newcastle, they will want a quick elevation to the ranks of the elite and they will want to be better than their regional brothers in Abu Dhabi and Qatar.
I hope Newcastle United fall flat on their faces and are relegated but that doesn’t stop me from recognising that things will be interesting and they will be in for the ride of lives.
 

Grendel

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Having just returned to the UK from living in Saudi Arabia for 8 years I find the entire questionable human rights argument really weak.
Firstly it is the UK that is selling arms and expertise to the Saudi leadership, it is the UK staff that is directing the drones and missiles to Yemen. It is the UK through BAE that is creaming the Saudis in a way that makes Newcastle United takeover seem like loose change.
Yes things are different in Saudi Arabia and some things are brutal but for anybody on here to raise their moral compass over things in Saudi Arabia should take a look closer to home. Crime is punished harshly therefore crime is very low, the streets are safe, drugs and alcohol abuse is not an issue. Honestly we have much to learn from them.
Take a look at Manchester City, at PSG, at Chelsea. You will find abuse at every level if you look, look at the history of King Power.....
They will pump money in to Newcastle, they will want a quick elevation to the ranks of the elite and they will want to be better than their regional brothers in Abu Dhabi and Qatar.
I hope Newcastle United fall flat on their faces and are relegated but that doesn’t stop me from recognising that things will be interesting and they will be in for the ride of lives.


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Warwickhunt

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If he gets a big payoff do you think he'll increase his offer to SISU to £1.50?
well he is also leaving the Coventry Building Society as well so must be gearing up for a new career! as long asit is not us thats OK
 

fernandopartridge

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Having just returned to the UK from living in Saudi Arabia for 8 years I find the entire questionable human rights argument really weak.
Firstly it is the UK that is selling arms and expertise to the Saudi leadership, it is the UK staff that is directing the drones and missiles to Yemen. It is the UK through BAE that is creaming the Saudis in a way that makes Newcastle United takeover seem like loose change.
Yes things are different in Saudi Arabia and some things are brutal but for anybody on here to raise their moral compass over things in Saudi Arabia should take a look closer to home. Crime is punished harshly therefore crime is very low, the streets are safe, drugs and alcohol abuse is not an issue. Honestly we have much to learn from them.
Take a look at Manchester City, at PSG, at Chelsea. You will find abuse at every level if you look, look at the history of King Power.....
They will pump money in to Newcastle, they will want a quick elevation to the ranks of the elite and they will want to be better than their regional brothers in Abu Dhabi and Qatar.
I hope Newcastle United fall flat on their faces and are relegated but that doesn’t stop me from recognising that things will be interesting and they will be in for the ride of lives.
You sound like a spokesman for IS
 

shmmeee

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You sound like a spokesman for IS

I’m just watching Handmaids Tale and it comes across like when they’re selling the Gilead to foreigners “carbon emissions down 76% (because we killed half the people and out the other half to work in slave labour camps)
 

wingy

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I’m just watching Handmaids Tale and it comes across like when they’re selling the Gilead to foreigners “carbon emissions down 76% (because we killed half the people and out the other half to work in slave labour camps)
What is the Giliad if you don't mind me asking.
 

NortonSkyBlue

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You clearly support brutality and oppression
where have you seen where I said that?
There really is no point in having a point of view on here. I would have thought that having experience in living in Saudi Arabia until a couple of months ago would grant me the right to comment.
I am sorry it doesn’t fit with your narrative but frankly I don’t give a shit of your opinion as you don’t have for mine. Your ignorance is legendary and on this subject it’s pathetic.
Yes I must be a spokesman for IS because I value the positive experience I had in their country and have seen the good and bad in both, here and there.
I can do without the drink and drug culture, the media scaremongering and the general race to the bottom that is UK culture.
 
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robbiekeane

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where have you seen where I said that?
There really is no point in having a point of view on here. I would have thought that having experience in living in Saudi Arabia until a couple of months ago would grant me the right to comment.
I am sorry it doesn’t fit with your narrative but frankly I don’t give a shit of your opinion as you don’t have for mine. Your ignorance is legendary and on this subject it’s pathetic.
Yes I must be a spokesman for IS because I value the positive experience I had in their country and have seen the good and bad in both, here and there.
I can do without the drink and drug culture, the media scaremongering and the general race to the bottom that is UK culture.
Weren’t women only allowed to drive about 3 years ago? Would you say that’s a positive experience
 

NortonSkyBlue

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Weren’t women only allowed to drive about 3 years ago? Would you say that’s a positive experience
Correct and in what world would you say that is positive? I certainly didn’t.
Women can now drive so it’s no longer an issue, The country is changing and is looking to bring itself in line with other Middle East countries.
Its only 50 years since they were riding camels and changing from the Bedouin life to modern lifestyles. It is journey that is changing the country whilst keeping its faith at the centre.
I am not an apologist for the brutal punishments handed on but would say we can learn a lot from the zero tolerance of crime as our culture is well and truly going to hell in a handcart.
 

Grendel

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Correct and in what world would you say that is positive? I certainly didn’t.
Women can now drive so it’s no longer an issue, The country is changing and is looking to bring itself in line with other Middle East countries.
Its only 50 years since they were riding camels and changing from the Bedouin life to modern lifestyles. It is journey that is changing the country whilst keeping its faith at the centre.
I am not an apologist for the brutal punishments handed on but would say we can learn a lot from the zero tolerance of crime as our culture is well and truly going to hell in a handcart.

they must have paid you a lot of money to peddle that crap

 

clint van damme

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Correct and in what world would you say that is positive? I certainly didn’t.
Women can now drive so it’s no longer an issue, The country is changing and is looking to bring itself in line with other Middle East countries.
Its only 50 years since they were riding camels and changing from the Bedouin life to modern lifestyles. It is journey that is changing the country whilst keeping its faith at the centre.
I am not an apologist for the brutal punishments handed on but would say we can learn a lot from the zero tolerance of crime as our culture is well and truly going to hell in a handcart.

Their murder rate is slightly higher than the UK on the data I can find (from around 2017/2018).
 

JAM See

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Correct and in what world would you say that is positive? I certainly didn’t.
Women can now drive so it’s no longer an issue, The country is changing and is looking to bring itself in line with other Middle East countries.
Its only 50 years since they were riding camels and changing from the Bedouin life to modern lifestyles. It is journey that is changing the country whilst keeping its faith at the centre.
I am not an apologist for the brutal punishments handed on but would say we can learn a lot from the zero tolerance of crime as our culture is well and truly going to hell in a handcart.
What does 'zero tolerance of crime' even mean?

I was very successful at bagging a handful of sweets from the pic'n'mix in Woolworths when I was eleven.

What would my punishment have been in KSA if I'd been caught?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Correct and in what world would you say that is positive? I certainly didn’t.
Women can now drive so it’s no longer an issue, The country is changing and is looking to bring itself in line with other Middle East countries.
Its only 50 years since they were riding camels and changing from the Bedouin life to modern lifestyles. It is journey that is changing the country whilst keeping its faith at the centre.
I am not an apologist for the brutal punishments handed on but would say we can learn a lot from the zero tolerance of crime as our culture is well and truly going to hell in a handcart.

I guess whereas for us typical crimes include theft and assault, theirs include apostasy, witchcraft, adultery and homosexuality. You're right on one thing mind, they are zero tolerance on all of those.
 

NortonSkyBlue

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Their murder rate is slightly higher than the UK on the data I can find (from around 2017/2018).
It’s not but why let facts get in the way.

Violent crime > Murder rate265
Ranked 59th.
722
Ranked 34th. 3 times morethan Saudi Arabia
Crime rate comparison United Kingdom vs Saudi Arabia
United KingdomSaudi Arabia
Improve Data Improve Data
Level of crimeModerate 51.30Very Low 19.19
Crime increasing in the past 3 yearsHigh 63.64Moderate 42.04
Worries home broken and things stolenModerate 43.13Low 22.16
Worries being mugged or robbedModerate 43.77Low 22.81
Worries car stolenLow 36.29Low 25.70
Worries things from car stolenModerate 43.40Low 32.19
Worries attackedModerate 45.07Low 21.73
Worries being insultedModerate 48.62Low 27.30
Worries being subject to a physical attack because of your skin color, ethnic origin, gender or religionLow 32.65Low 20.26
Problem people using or dealing drugsHigh 61.12Low 24.34
Problem property crimes such as vandalism and theftModerate 53.33Low 25.80
Problem violent crimes such as assault and armed robberyModerate 44.55Very Low 19.82
Problem corruption and briberyLow 31.62Low 38.66
Contributors:5303801
Last Update:October 2021October 2021
 

NortonSkyBlue

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I guess whereas for us typical crimes include theft and assault, theirs include apostasy, witchcraft, adultery and homosexuality. You're right on one thing mind, they are zero tolerance on all of those.
Seriously, your point is very valid, it’s changing minds of the elder generation who have fixed views that are at odds with the modern world but that is changing. I have no complaints about their rules, follow them and there isn’t an issue. Of course there is gay culture and like ours used to be is underground but tolerated in the main.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Seriously, your point is very valid, it’s changing minds of the elder generation who have fixed views that are at odds with the modern world but that is changing. I have no complaints about their rules, follow them and there isn’t an issue. Of course there is gay culture and like ours used to be is underground but tolerated in the main.

Then there is also the state-arranged murder of a journalist whose only crime it seems was to criticise the regime. Or indeed the many other executions for dissenting voices, the war crimes being carried out in Yemen and so on.

Fair enough you chose to live in the 'ISIS that made it' but in your position I wouldn't be typing anything critical either.
 

NortonSkyBlue

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What does 'zero tolerance of crime' even mean?

I was very successful at bagging a handful of sweets from the pic'n'mix in Woolworths when I was eleven.

What would my punishment have been in KSA if I'd been caught?
No idea, if you are alluding to chopping off of hands then that would be for three offences and wouldn’t be for stealing pick‘n’mix.
 

Grendel

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It’s not but why let facts get in the way.

Violent crime > Murder rate265
Ranked 59th.
722
Ranked 34th. 3 times morethan Saudi Arabia
Crime rate comparison United Kingdom vs Saudi Arabia
United KingdomSaudi Arabia
Improve DataImprove Data
Level of crimeModerate 51.30Very Low 19.19
Crime increasing in the past 3 yearsHigh 63.64Moderate 42.04
Worries home broken and things stolenModerate 43.13Low 22.16
Worries being mugged or robbedModerate 43.77Low 22.81
Worries car stolenLow 36.29Low 25.70
Worries things from car stolenModerate 43.40Low 32.19
Worries attackedModerate 45.07Low 21.73
Worries being insultedModerate 48.62Low 27.30
Worries being subject to a physical attack because of your skin color, ethnic origin, gender or religionLow 32.65Low 20.26
Problem people using or dealing drugsHigh 61.12Low 24.34
Problem property crimes such as vandalism and theftModerate 53.33Low 25.80
Problem violent crimes such as assault and armed robberyModerate 44.55Very Low 19.82
Problem corruption and briberyLow 31.62Low 38.66
Contributors:5303801
Last Update:October 2021October 2021

murder rate is higher

 

clint van damme

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It’s not but why let facts get in the way.

Violent crime > Murder rate265
Ranked 59th.
722
Ranked 34th. 3 times morethan Saudi Arabia
Crime rate comparison United Kingdom vs Saudi Arabia
United KingdomSaudi Arabia
Improve DataImprove Data
Level of crimeModerate 51.30Very Low 19.19
Crime increasing in the past 3 yearsHigh 63.64Moderate 42.04
Worries home broken and things stolenModerate 43.13Low 22.16
Worries being mugged or robbedModerate 43.77Low 22.81
Worries car stolenLow 36.29Low 25.70
Worries things from car stolenModerate 43.40Low 32.19
Worries attackedModerate 45.07Low 21.73
Worries being insultedModerate 48.62Low 27.30
Worries being subject to a physical attack because of your skin color, ethnic origin, gender or religionLow 32.65Low 20.26
Problem people using or dealing drugsHigh 61.12Low 24.34
Problem property crimes such as vandalism and theftModerate 53.33Low 25.80
Problem violent crimes such as assault and armed robberyModerate 44.55Very Low 19.82
Problem corruption and briberyLow 31.62Low 38.66
Contributors:5303801
Last Update:October 2021October 2021

 

Grendel

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No idea, if you are alluding to chopping off of hands then that would be for three offences and wouldn’t be for stealing pick‘n’mix.

oh that’s ok then
 

Warwickhunt

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It’s the religious state that replaces America in Handmaids Tale and leads to the subjugation of women, but also excellent carbon emissions, low crime, and uptake of organic food!
Not prime minister of New Zealand then?
 

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