Liam Kelly, Kyle Mcfazdean and Dom Hyam (1 Viewer)

Exactly They have experience now of the championship and can help us transition smoother if we get some better players in by keeping the nucleus of the squad together

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Always rated fadz .

Genuinely think he deserved another year , even if it ends up being a squad player it's the correct decision

It's nice to see players buying into the set up aswell in the past they ran down their contracts and couldn't wait to get out of the club fast enough

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Sky Blue Pete said:

I didn’t think we’d ever see appearance numbers like Kelly and Hyam have now clocked up and it’s great

Looking at oggy and shaw and borrows it’s back there with those days. Players who understand the club and are emotionally invested rather than just picking up a salary

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In 3 different divisions too, phenomenal.

Sky Blue Pete said:

I didn’t think we’d ever see appearance numbers like Kelly and Hyam have now clocked up and it’s great

Looking at oggy and shaw and borrows it’s back there with those days. Players who understand the club and are emotionally invested rather than just picking up a salary

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Shaw was a dreadful player

Sky Blue Pete said:

I didn’t think we’d ever see appearance numbers like Kelly and Hyam have now clocked up and it’s great

Looking at oggy and shaw and borrows it’s back there with those days. Players who understand the club and are emotionally invested rather than just picking up a salary

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Jordan Willis played 180 games across 3 divisions

It backs up the togetherness of the squad that's talked up by all the staff and players.brilliant stuff.

Sky Blue Pete said:

Good work extending Kelly for 2
Mcfadzean for 1
Hyam taking option.

Kelly and hyam over 100 appearances and mcfadzean 80

Means the continuity of the team is there even if we bring in 4-5 first teamers

Window already started well

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I think extending Kelly’s and McFadzean sends out the right message to, say, 29 year olds (and I’m looking at you M James) who might be looking to sign with us.

A 29 year old player has lots to offer but might want to stay in one place for more than one season (may have kids for example) and knowing that they may get 2,3,4 years is more reassuring than signing for a Champ or even lower prem club who may just bin you after a year meaning that you are 30 and then looking for a club.

Just my rambling thoughts.

stevefloyd said:

Shaw was a dreadful player

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Would walk into this side.

rob9872 said:

Would walk into this side.

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It was supposed to be Shaw and Coleman. Coleman preferred Blackburn, reigning champions... but we were supposed to be signing both from Crystal Palace that summer.

stevefloyd said:

Shaw was a dreadful player

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But his goals per minute ratio is up there with Max’s if you do the Grendel maths

Johhny Blue said:

But his goals per minute ratio is up there with Max’s if you do the Grendel maths

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Identical scoring record v Gillingham tbf.

stevefloyd said:

Shaw was a dreadful player

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Was he bollocks. Not the best in the league, but a solid player. Nice hair as well

Paul Williams was far worse than Shaw

Pleased we will still have McFadzean dominated that centre half position and rarely out played by centre forwards, gave two or three daft pens away but that happens wonder if we will recruit another if we re-sign Ostigard we also have Declan Drysdale back I have hopes of him this season.

Sky Blue Pete said:

Good work extending Kelly for 2
Mcfadzean for 1
Hyam taking option.

Kelly and hyam over 100 appearances and mcfadzean 80

Means the continuity of the team is there even if we bring in 4-5 first teamers

Window already started well

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Continuity is an over rated virtue. One of the features of the last four years has been the almost total lack of it. Each year Robins has in effect built a brand new team - last season with 4 new loans plus Hamer & Walker it was bound to be, So that's 6/10 regular outfield players. Not one acquisition from the first season in L 1, is in the match day squad (Baka was the last).

All three are not good enough for the top half of the championship. You might as well keep them because we can't afford a complete team upgrade, but this announcement is not a cause of celebration, more a statement of our financial weakness.

Kelly should be 'squad' this year, and ideally (although I suspect not) so should Hyam. The case for MacF I get, let's hope his legs can do one more year. I do worry about the state of the back 3 with Osti gone.

Football is an unromantic, success driven business I'm afraid

Need to resign Osti. That must be the priority.

Sky Blue Pete said:

That doesn’t feel correct. Signings in first team squad from league 1 last year are

Marosi
Wilson
Dabo
Rose
Mcfadzean
McCallum
Kelly
Ohare
Godden
Max
Baka
Allen

I’m not sure I agree with you

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Largely due to the fact they were under contract and we couldn’t afford to gut the squad. How many of those had their contracts extended last summer?

Better example is between 2018/19 (when we finished 8th in L1) and 2019/20 (champions). There are about 2 players who were regulars in both. Continuity is indeed a myth.

stevefloyd said:

Shaw was a dreadful player

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He was competing in the top division against some of the best players in the world.

SBAndy said:

Largely due to the fact they were under contract and we couldn’t afford to gut the squad. How many of those had their contracts extended last summer?

Better example is between 2018/19 (when we finished 8th in L1) and 2019/20 (champions). There are about 2 players who were regulars in both. Continuity is indeed a myth.

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Didn't Rose, Dabo and O'hare all sign new contracts last summer? Mccallum brought back, Baka extended for one year? And since then obviously Fadz, Kelly and Wilson extended yesterday.

Skybluefaz said:

He was competing in the top division against some of the best players in the world.

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He was the Crystal Palace player kicking and roughing up Cantona prior to his sending off & the king fu kick. Thanks Richard Shaw for that as well as a 10 year servant to CCFC!

skybluegod said:

Didn't Rose, Dabo and O'hare all sign new contracts last summer? Mccallum brought back, Baka extended for one year? And since then obviously Fadz, Kelly and Wilson extended yesterday.

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You’ve missed the point. The bulk of that squad were still under contract. In fact, I think of that list only Baka’s contract was technically up last summer but we had a year in our favour. That is why there was continuity between the two seasons - very little opportunity to manoeuvre.

This season is different. We had some reasonably high-profile deals expiring but the manager has chosen to renew most of them. Not sure I agree with the decisions but he’s better placed to judge than me.

The starting lineups year-to-year have tended to look quite significantly vary, though.

SBAndy said:

You’ve missed the point. The bulk of that squad were still under contract. In fact, I think of that list only Baka’s contract was technically up last summer but we had a year in our favour. That is why there was continuity between the two seasons - very little opportunity to manoeuvre.

This season is different. We had some reasonably high-profile deals expiring but the manager has chosen to renew most of them. Not sure I agree with the decisions but he’s better placed to judge than me.

The starting lineups year-to-year have tended to look quite significantly vary, though.

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You asked the question who extended contracts? I simply answered the question.

I think anyone who is expecting a huge overhaul of the squad is in for a disappointment. Fact is you could do it in L1 / L2 as you were mainly picking up cheap or out of contract players.

Not sure you can build a squad of genuine Championship quality players on frees even before you consider how it would impact the wage bill.

chiefdave said:

I think anyone who is expecting a huge overhaul of the squad is in for a disappointment. Fact is you could do it in L1 / L2 as you were mainly picking up cheap or out of contract players.

Not sure you can build a squad of genuine Championship quality players on frees even before you consider how it would impact the wage bill.

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I take your point on the whole ‘rip it up and start again’ but if I said I wasn’t disappointed at the relative lack of ambition I’d be lying. Said consistently, trim the squad numbers, slight increase on wage bill overall, and focus more on quality over quantity. If Kelly is staying (which he obviously is) then he should really be 4th choice at best.

Think MR has done what he can in releasing players topping up the budget and re signing the key players whilst maintaining the core of a happy squad.Its still going to upset some fans because they want more changes .but now it's about who comes in and I'm sure that most of us as will MR will be more than happy the squad will be happy to help us finish higher in the championship next season .pusb

Baby steps. Still think establishing ourselves is the more realistic goal, and a second season struggle is more probable than a surge up the table. If we finish in a similar position next season (hopefully a tad higher) it will still have been a great season. Improve the squad each window.

The three of them are solid, dependable and I imagine good for the dressing room/squad. They'll have an important part to play off the field as well as on it.

The best model I see is how Mourinho used to start and that's two players for each of his 11 spots and a few on the fringe from youth/development. Players know where they are then and I imagine with suspensions, injuries and form there will be many times when that 4th choice is expected to step up and perform as happened this season. Some capable experience is a good thing and continuity or not, they need to have the right quality and blend.

I trust the management team to get it right. The key will again be in the quality of loan signings and if we can get Osti back (or similar) with a decent keeper and a top drawer centre forward then we'll be more than fine. Big If of course, but the key spine positions will make all the difference.

rob9872 said:

Would walk into this side.

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Nah, he'd slowly jog in backwards before letting the team get away from him.

I think it's unrealistic to expect us to overhaul the entire team in one summer transfer window. Players like Hyam, Kelly and McFadzean, while perhaps not the best players we could get at this level, have proven themselves useful to the team and renewing all of them is the right call imo.

SBAndy said:

I take your point on the whole ‘rip it up and start again’ but if I said I wasn’t disappointed at the relative lack of ambition I’d be lying. Said consistently, trim the squad numbers, slight increase on wage bill overall, and focus more on quality over quantity. If Kelly is staying (which he obviously is) then he should really be 4th choice at best.

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Given our injury situation this year I think trimming the squad isn't necessarily a great thing. Sure, I want quality over quantity but we also need to have the numbers to allow for eventualities. We had a few players this season who I think looked they could do with a rest and we couldn't give them one.

There are examples such as if we can bring in one better player in exchange for Biamou and Baka then great. Same wih Jobello/Hillsner/Kasta who if we could offload to bring in one better quality then fine. Similarly with Shipley and Allen. They're largely going to be bit part players.

But I'd be more reluctant to do the same with Godden and Walker for example. Not to say I think they're irreplaceable - Godden's injury record is a worry and Walker is a good finisher but can seem a bit of a passenger in most other aspects. But to get rid of both for one is a big risk because we'd be relying solely on that signings for goals and injuries or a loss of form would be a problem because we'd have no replacement.