Greatest Manager Of All Time ? (1 Viewer)

bringbackrattles

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On the radio on five live tonight a Man City fan says Pepe Guardiola is the greatest manager of all time. But Chris Chris Sutton said no he's not better than Alex Ferguson. The conversation centred on trophies won, and in a time period etc. Obviously both top managers who have won top trophies,but to say best ever is debatable. There may be other names to be included in best ever ?
 

CJ_covblaze

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The way how the media go on sometimes you’d think it was Bielsa.
 

bringbackrattles

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The way how the media go on sometimes you’d think it was Bielsa.
Guardiola says Bielsa is the best coach in the world. It's that old chestnut again are they managers or coaches ? Ferguson was always called a manager as was Brian Clough, while some others are called coaches !
 

Grendel

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It’s impossible to compare but people should look at Herbert Chapman if it’s all time
 

SBAndy

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On the radio on five live tonight a Man City fan says Pepe Guardiola is the greatest manager of all time. But Chris Chris Sutton said no he's not better than Alex Ferguson. The conversation centred on trophies won, and in a time period etc. Obviously both top managers who have won top trophies,but to say best ever is debatable. There may be other names to be included in best ever ?

Not that I don’t rate Pep, but his trophies to career ratio will be significantly helped by taking on clubs dominant in their respective countries.
 

Evo1883

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Not that I don’t rate Pep, but his trophies to career ratio will be significantly helped by taking on clubs dominant in their respective countries.
He actually made bayern worse to watch imo, and they were not as good in Europe under him either
 

skybluesam66

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cant be anybody but clough for me
took 2 average teams to the title, and one of them to double european cup winners - without Sir Alex budget (when only the champions qualified)
Also won 4 league cups
Sir Alex Aberdeen record added on to the united success runs him close but Clough for me
 

skyblue1991

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Define a good manager?

It's way to say Guardiola when he has an unlimited pot of money. If like to see how he would do in the lower league when budgets and player availability are stretched.

Having said that I would say in my lifetime it would be Sir Alex. Yes he spent money but he also got the best out of average players, which became clear when Moyes/Van Gaal took charge

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Bugsy

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No brainer, Mark Robins followed closely by Fergie.

Learnt from the best....PUSB
 
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bringbackrattles

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I know he's a Marmite character but Neil Warnock has got some record in management. And Roy Hodgson has longevity too managing clubs in many countries, but both get overlooked.
 

Sky_Blue_Daz

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My dad maintains that the biggest mistake in the clubs history is not giving Jimmy Hill a longer contractv
 

SBT

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One thing that’s interesting about Ferguson is that while he’s on a different level in terms of man management, player development and strategy, he’s not really made a lasting impact in terms of tactics. Guardiola has, on the other hand, but has never had to build a project like Ferguson.

The only other modern coach who belongs in the conversation is Mourinho, who would probably be the slam dunk choice if he had the foresight to resign after a couple of seasons at each club. But his record is generally excellent.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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If its about trophies, then it pains me to say it but you'd have to look at Bob Paisley too.....

He was only drafted in as caretaker to offer some stability/continuity......6 titles & 3 european cups certainly did that.....
 

Travs

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One thing that’s interesting about Ferguson is that while he’s on a different level in terms of man management, player development and strategy, he’s not really made a lasting impact in terms of tactics. Guardiola has, on the other hand, but has never had to build a project like Ferguson.

The only other modern coach who belongs in the conversation is Mourinho, who would probably be the slam dunk choice if he had the foresight to resign after a couple of seasons at each club. But his record is generally excellent.

But hasn't Mourinho had top budget everywhere he's been (granted he won the Champions League with Porto, but it's still a cup competition).

He's had all the money in the world at every other club. Then at Manchester United and Spurs, where you could say his budget has only been huge, rather than astronomical, he hasn't set the world alight...
 

Ccfcisparks

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In my lifetime Sir Alex, but if I was going on what others have said, Cloughie would have to be the one. The equivalent of taking Millwall up and making them European Champions.
 

lifeskyblue

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Clough the best for me (took 2 fairly average sides to the very top) followed by Ferguson (created an aura that beat sides before they turned up and lots of trophies). Also mentions for Shankley and Busby and Jimmy Hill for creating the pride that still surrounds their respective clubs.


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mark82

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Clough and Ferguson in my lifetime. Herbert Chapman as Grendel mentions is also statistically great, albeit way before my time (and even Grendel's) so hard to be objective.

It's very difficult to compare between era's but it's hard to hold the likes of Guardiola to the same standard. He's managed 3 of the world's best/richest teams. Even I could make a decent fist of managing those teams, but I sure as hell couldn't have taken Forest and Derby from the second division to first division champions (and European cup with Forest). I love Guardiola but he's had almost endless resources.
 

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