Doubtful we will attending matches this side of Xmas (1 Viewer)

covboy1987

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The 'R' rate In rising in Coventry and worse in Birmingham with threats of local lock down on the cards - Cannot see our fans been allowed to attend any matches before Xmas or into January/Febuary particulary as the normal flu season has not even arrived yet
 

skybluesam66

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The 'R' rate In rising in Coventry and worse in Birmingham with threats of local lock down on the cards - Cannot see our fans been allowed to attend any matches before Xmas or into January/Febuary particulary as the normal flu season has not even arrived yet

Nothing thread - none of us know what the next course of action will be.
The Government dont really know the true numbers etc etc, so just get on with life, be careful and we will find out in due course what we can and cant do
 

clint van damme

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I've got a feeling the whole world is going to open up the start of next year regardless of the consequences (masks and social distancing measures will still be in place though).
 

pusbccfc

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Football as we know it won't be around this season. Long way away from big away days.
 

oscillatewildly

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Viz top tip: 'Struggling for ideas for a Xmas present for that footy mad family member? Just stick an 'IOU' for a boxing day fixture ticket in a cheap pound shop crimbo card'. 'The heartfelt (sherry induced) bonhomie at receiving such a gift will only wear off two decades later when the reality will be that crowds will only be allowed back in when all the 92 members (Bury will have discovered an extremely rare Picasso in a former kit mans attic) have successfully completed the construction of stadia on planet saturn'.
Craters for goalposts!
 

skybluesam66

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just seen that clubs below tier 6 are allowed crowds back
That would include Nuneaton level (i think they are 7) Sphinx etc
slowly slowly
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Could be dangerous allowing crowds at that level, esp early on because could see quite a lot of people turning up to watch a game that are missing it. Those clubs as well as not having the capacity can't afford the security and policing if loads turn up.

Would be a nice cash boost for those smaller clubs though.
 

Magwitch

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I think the Government will be very captions about allowing crowds at football matches. I think back end of Autumn will be the earliest and that will be at a much reduced capacity
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Could be dangerous allowing crowds at that level, esp early on because could see quite a lot of people turning up to watch a game that are missing it. Those clubs as well as not having the capacity can't afford the security and policing if loads turn up.

Would be a nice cash boost for those smaller clubs though.

Well consider all of the mass outdoor gatherings of the summer that have not translated into surges in cases while people have been allowed to pack indoors in restaurants, public transport and soon schools. And really if they’re letting everyone cram into school they’re admitting that preventing infection is no longer a strategy.
 

Esoterica

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Well consider all of the mass outdoor gatherings of the summer that have not translated into surges in cases while people have been allowed to pack indoors in restaurants, public transport and soon schools. And really if they’re letting everyone cram into school they’re admitting that preventing infection is no longer a strategy.
What were the UK deaths this week so far? I think I read 3 Monday, 12 yesterday? The numbers seem very small now and are largely elderly people with known pre-existing health conditions. And I don't mean that in a way that is dismissive of their deaths, rather that there is a lot of data out there now and if it's is a specific age group and the risk of death to that age group is mainly associated with pre-existing conditions, then surely steps can be introduced that look to specifically protect that risk group.

Media attention seems to have shifted away from deaths though, to outbreaks and surges, in an attempt to keep the wave of panic over this rolling. I suppose they will continue to do so too until a vaccine is introduced given how much has been invested in it now. Gotta make that ROI. The next stage will be 'invested' politicians wanting the vaccine to be mandatory for all.
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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What were the UK deaths this week so far? I think I read 3 Monday, 12 yesterday? The numbers seem very small now and are largely elderly people with known pre-existing health conditions. And I don't mean that in a way that is dismissive of their deaths, rather that there is a lot of data out there now and if it's is a specific age group and the risk of death to that age group is mainly associated with pre-existing conditions, then surely steps can be introduced that look to specifically protect that risk group.

Media attention seems to have shifted away from deaths though, to outbreaks and surges, in an attempt to keep the wave of panic over this rolling. I suppose they will continue to do so too until a vaccine is introduced given how much has been invested in it now. Gotta make that ROI. The next stage will be 'invested' politicians wanting the vaccine to be mandatory for all.
It’s going to be great fun on social media when / if there is a vaccine. I’ve already seen things suggesting governments are going to ‘tag’ the population with a chemical signature for monitoring purposes. :ROFLMAO:

If a vaccine candidate passes phase III clinical trials, sign me up.
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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They are suggesting it has mutated into a more infectious but less deadly virus
Yeah I read something about that. Suggesting it could mutate into something akin to the common cold and that’ll be it from then on. Think the logic is viruses don’t want to kill the host as it limits their spread, so they evolve to become less deadly but more infectious.
 

skyblueelephant76

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What were the UK deaths this week so far? I think I read 3 Monday, 12 yesterday? The numbers seem very small now and are largely elderly people with known pre-existing health conditions. And I don't mean that in a way that is dismissive of their deaths, rather that there is a lot of data out there now and if it's is a specific age group and the risk of death to that age group is mainly associated with pre-existing conditions, then surely steps can be introduced that look to specifically protect that risk group.

Media attention seems to have shifted away from deaths though, to outbreaks and surges, in an attempt to keep the wave of panic over this rolling. I suppose they will continue to do so too until a vaccine is introduced given how much has been invested in it now. Gotta make that ROI. The next stage will be 'invested' politicians wanting the vaccine to be mandatory for all.
It's not just about deaths though. I know someone in their early 30s who was perfectly healthy and is still suffering the after effects 4 months after having it.
 

steve cooper

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Yeah I read something about that. Suggesting it could mutate into something akin to the common cold and that’ll be it from then on. Think the logic is viruses don’t want to kill the host as it limits their spread, so they evolve to become less deadly but more infectious.
Yes, I think the logic is that viruses mingle together to some extent within their host in the same way as our DNA does when we reproduce. This creates different strains and by (reverse?) natural selection the stronger ones incapacitate their hosts quicker than the weaker ones. The weaker strains become more successful because the host carries on with their lives, and continues to spread the virus much wider than the stronger ones who incapacitate and in many cases, kill their host.
Natural selection
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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Yes, I think the logic is that viruses mingle together to some extent within their host in the same way as our DNA does when we reproduce. This creates different strains and by (reverse?) natural selection the stronger ones incapacitate their hosts quicker than the weaker ones. The weaker strains become more successful because the host carries on with their lives, and continues to spread the virus much wider than the stronger ones who incapacitate and in many cases, kill their host.
Natural selection
Well put! Which would end up being a relatively easy way out of it all. The article I was reading was also saying there was a hypothesis that the existing coronaviruses (the ones that cause the common cold) may have evolved in a similar way. Was a ‘proper’ study in which they traced the evolution of one of the existing viruses and it appeared to have mutated significantly around the time (late 1800’s I think) that there was a mystery respiratory illness that killed quite a few people. I may not have explained that totally accurately, but that was the general idea.

If that does happen then ultimately I guess we just end up with another way of catching a cold. No big deal. Not sure it’s gonna happen in time for the first round of the Carabao cup mind!
 

skybluesam66

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I was saying this weeks ago about the weaker virus mutation and got shot down for it 🤔
I guess there is still a lot of unknown/guess work
Some people clearly have very strong views either way, but nobody really knows, so as long as we are not impacting each other, until we know then we should at least respect opinions even if we disagree and argue against them

3 Clear facts at the moment
1. Cases are at a very high level and the R is probably close to or above 1
2. Hospital admissions are at a very low level
3. Deaths versus where they were are at a very low level

so as somebody mentioned yesterday, do we just have to learn to live with it
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Well consider all of the mass outdoor gatherings of the summer that have not translated into surges in cases while people have been allowed to pack indoors in restaurants, public transport and soon schools. And really if they’re letting everyone cram into school they’re admitting that preventing infection is no longer a strategy.
Or we have to open schools and this will increase the infection rate so we need to be careful with other actions
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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I was saying this weeks ago about the weaker virus mutation and got shot down for it 🤔
Still plenty of time for me to get shot down for it! Only posting what I’ve read, not saying it will happen, is happening or frankly have any opinion on it at all other than hoping it happens. It would need to get mild enough to not cause long-term consequences as well before we could go back to normality I guess. And it would take a while before any milder strain became dominant globally and for that to be reflected in the data, so it’s not going to be the solution to this season’s games, unfortunately.

At the end of the day the experts aren’t agreed on lots of things yet (they’ve only just sort of reached a consensus that it can be spread by aerosolised droplets) so a bunch of football fans on a forum aren’t likely to get it all right.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Or we have to open schools and this will increase the infection rate so we need to be careful with other actions

Or we look and see how high a % of cases don't even present symptoms and how low a % progress to hospitalisation or worse and stop trying to do a half way house.
 

Hobo

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I think the non league clubs will start back first with fans. An opportunity for us to attend and support their revenue. Which will have been hit hard in recent months. You may help save a local club.
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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Well put! Which would end up being a relatively easy way out of it all. The article I was reading was also saying there was a hypothesis that the existing coronaviruses (the ones that cause the common cold) may have evolved in a similar way. Was a ‘proper’ study in which they traced the evolution of one of the existing viruses and it appeared to have mutated significantly around the time (late 1800’s I think) that there was a mystery respiratory illness that killed quite a few people. I may not have explained that totally accurately, but that was the general idea.

If that does happen then ultimately I guess we just end up with another way of catching a cold. No big deal. Not sure it’s gonna happen in time for the first round of the Carabao cup mind!


Clever little fuckers these Coronavirus, I blame Boris Johnson.
 

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